This is Why We Should Put Murderers to Death

You might be surprised to know that the crime itself isn’t my only reason for believing in the death penalty.  Then again…those who know me well might not.  😉

Today, Texas is catching up with all of the time they’ve lost.  Heliberto Chi, convicted of a 2001 slaying in Arlington (about an hour or so from Dallas), was put to death today in the same manner as Jose Medellin the other night.  His argument on appeal was the same: he was a citizen of a country other than the United States, and he was not given his rights to a meeting with the consulate of his home country (Honduras, in this case).  But apparently the International Court of Justice didn’t think his need was that pressing–they didn’t include him in their lawsuit against the US of A.

There have been articles aplenty about his crime; that’s not my point here.  His last arguments were that he had become a Christian, he “knew the Lord,” and because of that he should be forgiven–because God has forgiven him.  Since God has forgiven him, everyone else should, too.  Right?

What’s even more galling is that despite unbelievably compelling evidence, and despite Chi admitting his crime, the man had the patent nerve to walk into the death chamber and say, “God forgive them, receive my spirit.”  He talked to a friend who had worked for his release.  He looked at the family of his victims, but never–NOT ONCE–did he acknowledge them.  It’s that sort of thing that proves to me that Chi was never really a believer.  The bible teaches that God forgives, but there are still consequences for our actions in this life; there is still a law to be obeyed.  Just because God forgives your sin does not exempt you from punishment for your deeds, even if your life is required for them.

As a corrections officer, I saw people “find God” only to laugh about it after it helped get them out.  Then, they’d be back just a scant few months later (sometimes less), cursing the whole of society for putting them away yet again.  Everyone in prison is religious.  An extremely small percentage really believe.  You usually know who they are when they show genuine sorrow, either by apologizing as they’re executed or by really cleaning up when they’re released.

Why would Chi behave the way he did as he was about to die?  Wouldn’t you think he’d be more penitent as he got ready to meet his God?  Think again…this was his way of getting back at everyone and adding to the myth that anti-death penalty proponents like to shove in everyone’s face.  Poor, poor souls.  If he really believed, then I’ll see him when I get home.  I have a hard time swallowing that, though.  It wasn’t society that needed to be forgiven.  It was he who owed a debt to society.  Not even the Holy Bible contradicts that fact.

So why is that a reason to put them to death?  Because they feel no remorse.  No remorse means that if they’re allowed to live, they will commit further crimes against innocent people.  That is the most chilling part of it all, and it’s largely ignored.

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15 thoughts on “This is Why We Should Put Murderers to Death

  1. I acknowledge your point of view. Murderers are not the only criminals who feel no remorse for their actions.

    In July of 1982 a girl I went to high school with disappeared. Her pizza delivery car was found abandoned on the outskirts of town. She was out delivering a pizza when she vanished.

    Less than five years later a budding serial killer was arrested after killing two college age women in town. He was on his way to killing again and again but the police caught a huge break. He was sentenced to life with no parole. There was no death penalty in the state where I lived at that time.

    Unknown to the police back in 1982, he kidnapped and murdered that girl I went to high school with back in 1982. She was his first victim. He’d go on to kill two more women.

    So he rotted in prison for 20+ years. Retired police officers volunteered their time to look at cold cases. This 1982 case was one of them. One thing lead to another and this guy confessed in December of 2007. He’d been sitting in prison for 20+ years.

    If he had been executed, then this 1982 crime would be unsolved. The family of this girl was saddened to know once and for all their daughter was deceased. They also got justice for their daughter. They got answers. I did nto know this girl that well. Yes we went to the same school but we were not friends. For 25 years I’d wonder from time to time what really happened to her. I am saddened she is gone. I am thankful she got justice. I am relieved now that I know the truth. The entire town was relieved too. The outpouring of support for her family was enormous.

  2. Trust me,
    I too understand your point of view. If you protect the life of the unborn, as in being pro-life, then i also feel it is resonible to protect all life, including murders. To be conservative means to conserve which means to spend less money. We spend more money to sentence someone to death than it does to put them away for life.

    Besides, I would rather Die than spend life in prison, well thats assuming I’m not in a Canadian country club prison. Life in prison to me would seem to be worse of the two punishments therefore I feel that putting someone to death is the more merciful punishment. So my argument is to get rid of the death penalty.

  3. Ferg – we have discussed this here plenty of times. First “pro-life” is merely a moniker assigned to folks who oppose abortion. But the same people who oppose abortion also support the overall quality of life guaranteed to us in the Constitution. (Something actually intended by the document, I mean I know it pales in comparison to offering superstar lawyers to non-citizen terrorists at Guantanamo, but come on).

    Obviously when murderers exist, the quality of life is infringed upon by innocent people.

    The difference between babies and and murderers is that babies had no choice in the matter. The murderers; on the other hand, did.

    It is preposterous to assign the expense of housing and feeding animals with no regard for human life – nor the Constitution for that matter, onto taxpayers for the next 30-50 years of someone’s life.

    Moreover; when crimes are punished appropriately, people become less inclined to commit them.

    Wrongfully linking “pro-life” to supporting the life of anything that has a pulse is unfair. As I stated before, conservatives do “select” as another libertarian challenged me on this by calling me “selective.”

    Of course, we conservatives are “selective.” But we are “selecting” the quality. They are “selecting” the trash. If liberals fought half as hard for protecting the rights of the unborn as they did for Tookie Williams, the moniker “pro-life” may not even exist.

    It would just be “pro-quality” or “pro-crap” depending on which side of the fence you stood on when it comes to people who rape and murder.

    JohninCa-

    Your specific case does not make the pain any easier for the family that lost their child. It does not give good enough reason to keep pointless people who murder and rape alive. Now we know he killed three people….and I cannot believe he is still breathing. It further makes me angry from the pit of my stomach that he is housed and fed at the taxpayer’s expense.

    It’s amazing, in Israel we can cain a teenager for spraying graffiti. But in America, we ship multiple murderers off to resorts where they can read, eat, sleep, and poop for their rest of their lives at our expense. I lived like that once – we all did. Then we turned one-year old.

    It’s like defending abortion in the case of a rape. (Where some still do support it in case of rape, and it’s a very personal perspective, granted).

    To say though; in my opinion, that if a woman gets pregnant as a result of a rape – and carries the baby full term – makes the memory of the rape any more painful; frankly, is an insult to women who are raped and do not get pregnant.

    These folks make their choices and make their beds.

    There is no valid comparison to that of an unborn child.

  4. I have to echo Steve’s statements and add this:

    The only reason trying a person in a death penalty case costs so much is because they get more rights than other offenders. In most states, including Arizona, it is now a requirement that if the state intends to seek the death penalty, the offender has no choice in his plea; a plea of not guilty is automatically entered. It’s as if we can’t allow anyone to accept responsibility anymore when it comes to consequences, we have to make ourselves feel better by making sure that, whether they want it or not, they have every single right that can be afforded them.

    After the trial and the condemnation in court, the condemned has more right to appeal than an entire cellblock of inmates in a regular housing unit (non-death row) will collectively have. And with forensic science being what it is now, we’re required to have evidence coming out our ears to prove that a murderer really is guilty and should be executed.

    And if there’s a loophole? God help society, ’cause that little bastard will be out quicker than you can wet your pants. We have the Warren Court to thank for this.

  5. I don’t believe Israel uses caning, Steve. Thailand does, among others…

    When used correctly, the death penalty is just.

    Were prison terms still served at hard labor, and prisoners not so full of time they could sue over jello flavors, I might find myself disposed to abolishing the death penalty.

    As it is, I believe there are some people who are not capable of reforming and prefer to see themselves as victims rather than taking responsibility for those they have victimized. We give criminals more rights and more concern than we give victims.

    That is disgusting.

    When someone makes a choice to cold-bloodedly murder another human being, they make the choice to forfeit their own life.

  6. Remember the story a few years back about the American teen spray-painting? Not caining, perhaps “lashing” – wasn’t that in Israel?

    I stand corrected if so.

  7. “Remember the story a few years back about the American teen spray-painting? Not caining, perhaps “lashing” – wasn’t that in Israel?

    I stand corrected if so.”

    That incident happened in Singapore.

    “Your specific case does not make the pain any easier for the family that lost their child.”

    I politely disagree. I believe it would be far worse to never know what happened to a loved one who vanishes. You never know the truth and you never know if the people involved get punished.

  8. “Besides, I would rather Die than spend life in prison, well thats assuming I’m not in a Canadian country club prison. ”

    Even a gilded cage is still a cage Ferg. Sure you may not endure some of the hardships in a country club prison vs. a maximum security prison. But, you never ever get out. You are there for the rest of your life.

    I am with you, I’d rather die then spend the rest of my life in any prison.

  9. “If liberals fought half as hard for protecting the rights of the unborn as they did for Tookie Williams”

    LOL. His case proves the liberals have absolutely zero shame. Tookie Williams wrote a book in prison. He mentored at risk youth. He was nominated for a Nobel Prize. He gained international support and acclaim. But there is one thing he never ever did:

    He refused to snitch on his fellow gang bangers.

    I would guess some of his gang bangers are walking the streets free because Tookie chose to selectively decide which decency standards suit him.

  10. Steve,

    Your wrong. Life is precious and it is not for us to take, only God. So I will continue to be determined to protect all life.

    2nd, it costs more to put someone to death than it does to house them for the next 30 years (On average).

    You make excellent arguements, but i just plain right out disagree.

    On this note, this will more than likely be my last comment till November 4th… I got a campaign to run 🙂

  11. The only reason we would rather die than spend life in prison is because we’re decent people; I daresay none of us can fathom committing the types of crimes that banish you to a lifetime of confinement, much less living with others who do that sort of thing.

    Ferg, I think it’s admirable to wish to protect all life. I’ve studied Shaolin for nearly ten years now, and one of the tenets of the Ch’an Buddhism taught in the temple is that “all life is precious, and none can be replaced.”

    However, even the monks admit that there are times when a person is so evil that it’s not safe to allow them to live. If I’m being attacked and I can’t get my attacker to leave me alone, I would end his life (only if I had no other choice). On the same token, if someone commits a crime so heinous that we cannot allow them to remain in society, if you take away all the court proceedings that they automatically get for being tried for capital punishment, it actually costs quite a bit less than housing them for 30-40 years.

    And really, why should we make the surviving victims of these people keep them alive with their tax money when their loved one will never come back?

  12. Well that’s all fine and dandy, and Mel you articulated it well.

    But I firmly and PROUDLY disagree. All life is not precious. It may begin that way, but when God gives us free will – the same that lead some to risk their own lives to rush into burning buildings to save others as it is to outright murder, rape, rob, terrorize, etc.

    We choose how to use the will God gave us on this Earth to survive.

    Once someone uses their will for evil or to violate someone else’s Constitutional right to a good quality and safe existance to live their life, grow, and share with those that they love – their life is no longer “precious.”

    Tookie made a choice, so did the illegals that were executed recently.

    Get over it – and focus on the good remaining around us.

    Have a good few months, Ferg!

  13. Hey I do believe in the right of self defense with deadly force for I am an advocate of the 2nd amendment. If the English language has taught us anything, there are exceptions to the rule.

    Unfortunately, it is very costly to the taxpayer to put them to death through all of the legal proceedings as it should be for it should never be an easy task to take a life.

    I respect everyones opinion for I at one time held the very same opinion and made the very same arguments.

    Thanks Guys and Gals, I truly do enjoy the debate here and will miss the fact that I won’t be able to participate as often as I would like.

    Take care friends,
    Ferg

  14. Oh, I didn’t say I believed all that, Steve. It’s just what’s taught. 😉

    And you’re right, Ferg, it should never be easy to take a life. But when the evidence proves beyond the shadow of a doubt that a person is guilty of their crime, how is it better to imprison them for life as opposed to putting them to death? Why should a murderer get more rights than anyone else in the justice system?

    I think if we can take someone’s entire life away by putting them in prison for the remainder of their Earthly existence, it’s no better than execution. We’re not better people for allowing them to live in cages. If they’re innocent, the evidence will prove it. We should not house them for fifteen years so they can find some technicality to get them out on. When you think about it, that’s all it really is. Some lawyer looking for a damned loophole.

  15. “We’re not better people for allowing them to live in cages. ”

    melmaguire

    But we could be. I’d rather have a serial killer imprisoned for life so mental health professionals can study, interview and learn what may or may not have turned this person into a killing machine. If this research can prevent future serial killers, then we are better for that.

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