Trying Times

Contrary to what the Democrats would have us all believe, things are getting worse. Stocks continue to drop. Unemployment hasn’t improved–in fact, it’s gotten worse (saving 150,000 jobs as opposed to losing 1.6 million? Please!). One of the stalwarts of the international lending industry, American Express, seemingly impervious to the economic hardships, announced layoffs for the first time today. And Obama, despite many reports that say it’s a bad idea, has announced a new government requirement of 35.5 MPG on all new vehicles by the year 2016.

Do we really still think Obama’s doing a good job?

We’re talking about a guy who believed that spreading the wealth was a great idea. He has all but wrested control of the banking industry from the owners, even in cases where the banks involved did a fantastic job doing the right thing while all the others were helping toss our economy down the crapper. Since when does a free country allow the government to decide what they do with their money? When did being free mean that the government decides what’s best for our vehicles? Did Obama even read the reports that show smaller vehicles account for the highest death rates on the roads?

What’s even more galling is that any liberal can still think that Obama was really just raising taxes on the rich in light of another recent development: a new $1300 tax on all new vehicles. That’s not going to hurt the rich, folks. That will be for every new vehicle, regardless of your income. Still think he’s really only raising taxes on the rich? He says we’ll make that back in three years in savings on gas, but shouldn’t we be saving PERIOD? Why should we replace a savings with another expenditure? Why do we need the new taxes?

Oh, yeah…I forgot. The Generational Theft Act of 2009, a.k.a. the “stimulus.” We gotta pay that back somehow. Aside from inflation, taxing one of the things we rely on the most is the best way to recoup those funds.

These are trying times, folks, make no mistake. Obama is NOT our messiah. And considering his gaffe-machine VP (who seems to have completely digested both feet and is working his way up to his knees now) can’t keep his mouth shut, I don’t think we can get these idiots out of office quickly enough.

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32 thoughts on “Trying Times

  1. “Did Obama even read the reports that show smaller vehicles account for the highest death rates on the roads? ”

    But that will lead to more organ donors. So Obama wants your money and your body parts too.

  2. Oh Mel, this is so sad. I see the right is still trying to pin stock market losses (which have actually been trending up the last couple of weeks) on Obama, when it’s evident to anyone without an agenda that the market peaked in October of 2007 and has been on the decline ever since. Which of Obama’s policies caused the market to come tumbling down in October of 2007? Oh that’s right, you people were in power, and oddly enough, we only hear the obligatory and grudging “we don’t love everything Bush did” when a fact is shoved down your throat, yet you’re oh so willing to blame Obama for a stock market that’s been going down for the last year and a half, and only three months into his presidency. The things that make you go hm…

    And leave it to the right to see stringent fuel economy as a bad thing. I guess that doesn’t exactly jive with your “drill baby, drill” mantra. And 35.5 mpg? That’s a joke, and you’re still up in arms over it. Every other halfway decent nation on earth can manage a 47 mpg vehicle, why can’t we? We posses the technology to get well over 50 mpg, from straight gasoline, and yet we’re forced to see 21 mpg as “good”.

    And the banks? Yeah, that started under your guy. Oh, wait, here comes the “we hated the bailout” lip service. But I don’t recall seeing a single post on this site bitching about Hank Paulson’s theft of nearly a trillion dollars. I forgot, it’s all the democrats’ fault. I’m so absent minded, that it slipped my mind that the republican party is the party of fiscal responsibility, never mind the fact that 70% of this nation’s debt was the result of three presidents who hailed from that party of fiscal responsibility.

    Ah, Joe Biden the “gaffe machine”. You wanna talk gaffe? How about that post last year extolling the genius idea at the RNC to install Michael Steele, who only manages to pull his head out of his ass long enough to stick a foot in his mouth? Oh, what? Abortion is a choice? Is Rush an entertainer or not? Every stupid thing I say may sound stupid to you, but it’s all part of a master plan? And gay marriage is a drain on small businesses somehow? No wonder the party has been calling for his head since the day he got in there. Oops, our plan to entice blacks to join the party backfired because this guy’s a fucking idiot. Sadly, they should have chosen election thief Ken Blackwell to head the RNC. Is it any wonder that this is what you’ve been reduced to?:

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/118528/GOP-Losses-Span-Nearly-Demographic-Groups.aspx

    The republican loss in percentage points has gone down in every single category with the exception of those that attend church on a weekly basis. Man, you’re gonna need all the luck you can get in 2010, let alone 2012…

  3. “I forgot, it’s all the democrats’ fault.”

    Sorry, I meant the Democrat Socialist Party. Bunch of geniuses, your party…

  4. “Sorry, I meant the Democrat Socialist Party. Bunch of geniuses, your party…”

    I agree Robert. The Republican party has yet to eclipse the talent of the Democrats for starting wars and sending thousands to their deaths. Then there are those who weren’t killed outright and ended up forever maimed by it all either physically, mentally or both.

    Why our Iraq debacle is a minor street fight compared to what the Democrats have done.

    Reagan had the right idea, bankrupt the USSR. Spend them into implosion and it worked. I am sure there are many people on Main street who are happy their boys did not have to go to war to destroy the Evil Empire.

    Now if Carter and Mondale took on the USSR we’d still be enduring the nuclear winter. But at least that pesky problem of global warming would be over.

  5. “Why our Iraq debacle is a minor street fight compared to what the Democrats have done.”

    John, what the hell are you talking about? The Iraq war debacle is minor? On what planet? And if you’re sincerely trying to paint democrats as warmongers (presumably because of LBJ), then I would be remiss if I didn’t point out your record of Iran-Contra, Panama, and Iraq, to name a few. You people have always sought to feed the military industrial complex, and have always treated war for what it’s become: corporate welfare.

    “Reagan had the right idea, bankrupt the USSR. Spend them into implosion and it worked”

    Please don’t pretend that Reagan had anything to do with the collapse of the USSR. It was their foolish attempt to occupy a Middle Eastern country that did them in, not some silly arms race. And it almost worked on us too. Just think, if we elected McCain, we’d have another hundred years to look forward to in Iraq. And Obama needs to be smarter too. Afghanistan will become his Vietnam real quick if he’s not careful.

  6. “Please don’t pretend that Reagan had anything to do with the collapse of the USSR. It was their foolish attempt to occupy a Middle Eastern country that did them in, not some silly arms race.”

    Leave it to a liberal to give much of the credit to a Muslim over their own President.

    Sanity is coming back. People are enraged today over the costs of the new health care plan and normal Main Streeters are indeed going to be affected now because their premiums are going to be taxed in lieu of getting a tax break for paying it themselves.

    Moreover; the new credit card laws penalize those who responsibly pay their balances off every month while giving credit to those who constantly keep their balances jacked up.

    You think people aren’t going to notice these things? Just call it, Reward Failure Act #32475

  7. “Leave it to a liberal to give much of the credit to a Muslim over their own President.”

    And leave it to delusional conservatives to give credit not only where it is not due, but to the wrong administration at that! Steve, perhaps you can explain why Reagan deserves credit when the CIA had been predicting the fall of the Soviet Union since 1959, and also why Reagan deserves credit when the USSR collapsed during the first Bush administration…

    “Moreover; the new credit card laws penalize those who responsibly pay their balances off every month while giving credit to those who constantly keep their balances jacked up.”

    No, the new credit card laws protect consumers who are currently at the mercy of the credit card companies who arbitrarily decide to jack up interest rates on people who pay on time, even after taking taxpayer bailout dollars. But, it’s nice to see who’s side you’re on…

  8. “And leave it to delusional conservatives to give credit not only where it is not due, but to the wrong administration at that!”

    The duration of the war is not in question. The question was whether or not Reagan ended it with his arsenal of weapons (along with bankrupting them) pointed at the USSR. And he did. As much as that very noted and established fact angers you.

    “No, the new credit card laws protect consumers who are currently at the mercy of the credit card companies who arbitrarily decide to jack up interest rates on people who pay on time, even after taking taxpayer bailout dollars. But, it’s nice to see who’s side you’re on…”

    Straight from the NY Times yesterday:

    “Credit cards have long been a very good deal for people who pay their bills on time and in full. Even as card companies imposed punitive fees and penalties on those late with their payments, the best customers racked up cash-back rewards, frequent-flier miles and other perks in recent years.

    Now Congress is moving to limit the penalties on riskier borrowers, who have become a prime source of billions of dollars in fee revenue for the industry. And to make up for lost income, the card companies are going after those people with sterling credit.”

    In other words, failed bill-payers who don’t pay their bills on time as it is (just like the ones who don’t pay taxes) get the benefits. Decent Americans who pay their balances off every month NOW have to be subjected to heftier annual fees and also lose perks like flyer miles. In a nutshell, people like me are paying for people you know who don’t pay their credit card bills on time.

    But I know, the rich kept them down. The rich forced them to buy houses they couldn’t afford because of equal opportunity lending requirements set forth by socialist whacks like Jimmy Carter. The rich forced them to pour concrete down the drain pipes of newer homes in affluent neighborhoods virtually leaving properties that were once beautiful vandalized and abandoned therby drastically reducing the property values of their well-meaning neighbors who pay their credit cards on time as well as their mortgages even if it means not having a big screen TV or not going on vacation every year.

    Make certain to blame George Bush, too or say “the last eight years” because without it, it just wouldn’t seem complete.

  9. I want the rest of you to pay particularly close attention to the press, too. (I know you guys are the greatest and Mel is probably writing something about it now).

    But the last two days there have been two articles giving us a detailed account of how Obama is miraculously becoming a centrist again.

    1.) He’s giving a Republican an important position for China. Who cares?

    2.) He’s not releasing photos of interrogation methods.

    3.) There will be no commission but nobody in the White House or not one Democrat in Congress will call Nancy Pelosi or the CIA a liar.

    4.) There has been no official court ruling deeming waterboarding Guantanamo-style as torture – even though Keith Olbermann keeps comparing it to the water cure used by the Japanese.

    5.) Obama will not prosecute nobody for these enhanced interrogation methods, even though he thinks it was torture.

    etc….

    Now, brewing on the homefront is liberals in Congress refusing to support shutting down Gitmo without a plan by the administration. This will be the big news for two weeks when Obama will cave in again and decide to keep Gitmo open.

    Hilariously enough, the media will use these examples of Obama catering to Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh while all along, these policies and decisions were merely common sense in terms of the safety of Americans and our troops.

    BUT, the media will use it anyway to distract from the disasters of the health care and credit card bills going through. So, when these policies fail, liberals can tell us how Obama really WAS a centrist.

    The media won’t be able to stop a majority of pissed off Americans in a couple years.

  10. “No, the new credit card laws protect consumers who are currently at the mercy of the credit card companies who arbitrarily decide to jack up interest rates on people who pay on time, even after taking taxpayer bailout dollars. But, it’s nice to see who’s side you’re on…”

    LOL. So damn funny. I don’t have any credit cards. I have not had one in this century. I don’t care what credit card interest rates are. I don’t care what annual fees and late payment penalties are. Payment due dates don’t apply to me because I don’t have any payments.

    We don’t need more laws regulating the credit card business. But we do need more people who use credit cards wisely or don’t use credit cards at all.

  11. “Steve, perhaps you can explain why Reagan deserves credit when the CIA had been predicting the fall of the Soviet Union since 1959, and also why Reagan deserves credit when the USSR collapsed during the first Bush administration…”

    The C.I.A. was taken by surpise when the USSR did collapse. They never saw it coming. So much for their predictions.

    Reagan deserves the credit because for 8 years he went after the Soviets and did not back down. Bush also deserves credit for keeping the Reagan policy going. They are both heroes.

  12. “And if you’re sincerely trying to paint democrats as warmongers (presumably because of LBJ), then I would be remiss if I didn’t point out your record of Iran-Contra, Panama, and Iraq, to name a few. ”

    WW I – Woodrow Wilson’s War
    WW II – FDR
    Korea – Truman
    Vietnam – LBJ

    Panama, Iraq, Grenada; streets fights compared to the above.

    Democrats love to kill. They love to kill the unborn (abortion laws), they love to start big wars (see above), they love to kill dreams (Affirmative action), they love to kill business and industry (laws, laws, and more laws, plus unions), they love to kill futures through higher taxes, and they love to kill God through their political correctness schemes.

  13. John, that last post is the best post you have EVER written. I felt like Ann Coulter visited us here at gayconservative.org.

    It’s so true. Nothing you can say about a liberal democrat is too outrageous because it is all true.

    Regarding credit cards, I have about five revolving accounts. My credit score suffered because I; like you, agree that the best way to get great credit is to not have credit cards at all.

    Unfortunately, this is not the case. FICO scores are now calculated using a number of established revolving accounts (I have had mine for quite sometime), even if they are lower-limit. It’s also calculated by the amount of available credit you have. Conctantly having 70-80% of them paid down makes a difference in your FICO score anywhere from 150-200 points – NO KIDDING. I pay out of pocket because I agree with you on that. But I do use the cards for gas/vacations/reservations, etc to keep that positive activity up.

    The FICO compilation is indeed another way to control Americans now that I think about it. Sad.

  14. “John, that last post is the best post you have EVER written. I felt like Ann Coulter visited us here at gayconservative.org.”

    Thank you. Conservatives create. Liberals destroy.

  15. “The FICO compilation is indeed another way to control Americans now that I think about it. Sad.”

    A year ago I approached a banker friend with a situation. I knew a man with $300K in liquid assets and horrible credit. He could not get a bank to lend him $1 to buy a cup of cheap coffee. What happened to the guy?

    He got himself into a credit card debt situation. But he paid it off. It took longer than the banks wanted. But it was eventually paid in full with late fees and interest. Why he did not tap his reserves to retire this debt is beyond me.

    My banker friend explained it to me this way. If you find yourself swamped by debt, then declare bankrupty immediately. Your credit score will suffer but it will suffer much more if you struggle to pay that debt off. Even if you pay the debt off, your credit score will suffer if you have late payments, charge offs and such. Never mind that you do pay the debit off.

    Is that absurd or what?

  16. “The duration of the war is not in question. The question was whether or not Reagan ended it with his arsenal of weapons (along with bankrupting them) pointed at the USSR. And he did. As much as that very noted and established fact angers you.”

    Oh, I’m not angry, I’m just amazed at your sycophantic nature. You put objectivity aside to shower someone with praise simply because they’re republican. I doubt you’d credit Jimmy Carter if that happened under him. I wouldn’t if I had all the facts in front of me.

    “In other words, failed bill-payers who don’t pay their bills on time as it is (just like the ones who don’t pay taxes) get the benefits. Decent Americans who pay their balances off every month NOW have to be subjected to heftier annual fees and also lose perks like flyer miles. In a nutshell, people like me are paying for people you know who don’t pay their credit card bills on time.”

    Steve, anyone who is targeted by the credit card companies that has good credit will be solely the doing of the credit card companies, not any portion or provision of the law. If anything, you proved my point for me. They stand to lose lots of money because under the new rules, they can’t fleece hard working Americans and jack up interest rates. The credit card companies have already admitted this. And according to their twisted rationale, if they can’t screw one group, they’ll move on to the next. And yet you sit here and defend these absolute fucking leeches, preferring that they go after those who have the hardest time right now.

    So, no, no one is blaming George Bush for something that happened on Reagan’s watch. And if I were you, I’d take a careful look at those years that you think were good and love to mock, because a lot, a LOT of very bad things happened during them…

  17. “The C.I.A. was taken by surpise [sic] when the USSR did collapse. They never saw it coming. So much for their predictions.”

    That’s not true at all. Academia was caught off guard. Sovietolgists obviously were, but not the CIA. If you predict the end of something as early as 1959, you aren’t surprised when it happens.

    “Reagan deserves the credit because for 8 years he went after the Soviets and did not back down. Bush also deserves credit for keeping the Reagan policy going. They are both heroes.”

    Alright, whatever you guys say. I’d be more inclined to agree with you if the Soviet Union had not spent nine years prior occupying Afghanistan. That doesn’t come free, you know…

  18. “They stand to lose lots of money because under the new rules, they can’t fleece hard working Americans and jack up interest rates. ”

    If I borrow money from you and we agree the interest rate will be 10%, then that is our agreement and that is what you charge me. I don’t have cause to whine or complain. I could have told you take your loan offer and walk. I had a choice. I made a choice. You also made a choice when you made the loan offer and lent me the money.

    If someone is dumb enough to take out a credit card with no ceiling on the interest rate, then who is to blame? Is the contract being violated? Is the law being violated? There are laws against Usury and so far the banks haven’t broken them.

    Nobody is getting fleeced here. A contract was signed by both parties. The remedy to this so called fleecing is pay the credit card off and don’t do business with that bank.

  19. “Democrats love to kill. They love to kill the unborn (abortion laws)”

    This argument always makes me laugh. Apparently a woman’s right to privacy threatens you so much that you’re willing to label people murderers, yet it’s completely okay to carpet bomb peoples of a foreign nation, as long as their religion is different from yours, right? It’s okay to call yourselves pro life while supporting capital punishment. You people aren’t pro life, you’re pro birth. Once that child is born, you don’t give a shit about it, that’s why you veto children’s health care, that’s why the republicans have done nothing to curb poverty, in fact facilitating it. You people love the fetus, and hate the child.

    “they love to kill dreams (Affirmative action)”

    It could more than easily be argued that this has allowed people to realize dreams. Somehow I get the feeling that people like you were just fine with Jim Crow laws. Weren’t you the one arguing against integration? And conservatives wonder why they get labeled racists…

    “they love to kill business and industry (laws, laws, and more laws, plus unions)”

    And you love it when business and industry kills others, usually the innocent. It’s perfectly fine with you that factories get to pollute local rivers, with no regard to how it affects the environment or the people that inhabit it. You’re okay with the rules of the game that allow the rich to grow ever more rich, at the expense of everyone else. Who cares that the disparity in income grows wider under republicans?

    “they love to kill futures through higher taxes”

    Funny how the economy does better in the long run when taxes are higher, and that the economy tanks under the boom, bubble, burst scheme of tax cuts for the wealthy. In every industrialized nation on earth where marginal tax rates are above 50%, poverty is reduced dramatically, as well as crime rates, and you don’t see dynastic wealth that spurs inequality.

    “and they love to kill God through their political correctness schemes.”

    Blame the founders; they’re the ones who came up with that whole separation of church and state thing. And what would you like to see, John, a theocracy? The church telling us how to live our lives? For someone who wants less government intervention, it seems like you want more religious intervention. How about you be a grown up and recognize that we live in a secular nation, and as such, have many different faiths represented here. You are free to worship however you see fit, but I’m pretty sure entire swaths of people would be resentful of you trying to impose your religious beliefs on them. The first amendment is a great thing, for both church and state. If you want both, you’d better keep them separate…

    John, with the exception of the escalation of the Vietnam war, you named perfectly legitimate wars. Did Bush create a threat out of whole cloth? Did Reagan explicitly ignore the congress in giving arms to terrorists to illegally fund a war? You’re grasping at straws calling democrats war mongers, because you know it to be true of your own party. You’re desperate to convince someone, anyone (including yourself), that your party has even a shred of integrity. How many people do you pass this dreck to, and how many buy it? Not many, I’d guess.

  20. “I doubt you’d credit Jimmy Carter if that happened under him. I wouldn’t if I had all the facts in front of me.”

    If it did happen under Jimmy Carter, I’m only confused on what you’d do in that new found dilemma. Hmmm… a fellow liberal or the Muslim I would have credited if it would have happened under Ronald Reagan?

    “Steve, anyone who is targeted by the credit card companies that has good credit will be solely the doing of the credit card companies, not any portion or provision of the law.”

    That’s because the LAW takes away their rights in a free market to pose consequences for failure and stupidity when people max their cards out and fail to make payments. They know the law right now is on the side of failure in the private sector. So the decent folks who have always carried this country will continue to do so by taking on that extra burden. Just give it a couple of years…the weak will be that much weaker and the strong will be that much stronger. Then the cycle can start all over again for you to make your case against the rich and tax cuts.

    “So, no, no one is blaming George Bush for something that happened on Reagan’s watch.”

    Socialist policies that create these messes were not endorsed under Ronald Reagan. Bad things happen all the time and I am sure bad things happened during the 80’s. We’ll never avoid the bad things. But you cannot twist the law so that bad things don’t happen to those who make decisions to buy homes they cannot afford and max out credit cards that they are unable to pay back.

    Bad things are a natural process of cause and effect. As I said before, capitalism has a way of weeding out the worthy. Being worthy is not a class-thing. You can make 30,000 a year and be worthy. You can make 100,000 a year and be unworthy. And until Americans realize that they cannot reap the benefits without doing the work required, you can come up with any piece of legislation you want – but in the end, you’ll never be able to alter what’s right.

  21. “There are laws against Usury and so far the banks haven’t broken them.”

    There are? You could have fooled me. Tell that to the guy who opened a credit card at 9% and saw his rate rise to 34% simply for keeping the card open for more than two years.

    “Nobody is getting fleeced here. A contract was signed by both parties.”

    Yes, a contract that had a set interest rate. You’d be surprised to find out how many people I hear from that have had their interest rates go through the roof, and for no apparent reason. These people all had jobs, paid their bills on time, and weren’t late. The credit card company just arbitrarily decided that they needed to make more money. And every single time usury laws are brought up in congress, guess who’s the first to oppose them? That’s right, the party of no. Why don’t republicans just drop dead so order can restore itself and people can lead happier lives?

  22. “There are? You could have fooled me. Tell that to the guy who opened a credit card at 9% and saw his rate rise to 34% simply for keeping the card open for more than two years.”

    Does he pay the balance off each month? If he does then the interest rate is zero.

    Does he use the card? If he does nto use the card then the interest rate is zero.

    See how easy it is?

    “Yes, a contract that had a set interest rate. You’d be surprised to find out how many people I hear from that have had their interest rates go through the roof, and for no apparent reason.”

    Are you telling me a bank issued a credit card with a set interest rate that will never ever change period? Oh wait, yes, this bank is located on Fantasy Island. Sorry.

  23. “It’s okay to call yourselves pro life while supporting capital punishment.”

    How many times have we gone over this? Big difference between a baby that has no choice and an adult who chooses consciously to commit murder. BIG DIFFERENCE.

    “…that’s why you veto children’s health care…”

    What, S-CHIP? That program was so riddled with flaws that it would have cost far more than it was worth. It left far too many loopholes for exploitation. Try again.

    “…republicans have done nothing to curb poverty, in fact facilitating it…”

    The one thing that facilitates poverty the most is giving a handout to people who don’t want to work. There are not enough limits or guidelines to welfare programs, and entire generations have lived on welfare in this country because they’re not required to prove that they’re trying to find work. I know people who bragged about getting a monthly government check without having to earn it.

    “I get the feeling that people like you were just fine with Jim Crow laws.”

    I beg your pardon? Do you seriously have the balls to walk in here after the previous conversations on the subject and call us racists yet again because we think Affirmative Action–essentially trying to legislate thought by forcing diversity rather than allowing true competition–is outdated and needs to be undone? You’re incredible.

    “It’s perfectly fine with you that factories get to pollute local rivers…”

    No, Robert. That has nothing to do with the laws being dumped on businesses now. Did you read recently about Obama trying to use strong-arm politics to bully GM’s lenders into accepting a deal that no bankruptcy court in the nation would have allowed? Obama struck a deal which would have paid off handsomely for union shareholders at GM; the shareholders would have walked away with $0.50 a share, and the lenders would have only gotten $0.33 a share–a deal completely illegal according to bankruptcy laws. When the lenders refused to accept the deal Obama tried to threaten them with media defamation. Who’s trying to help the rich now? Unless you haven’t noticed, union bosses are just as rich as the lenders.

    “In every industrialized nation on earth where marginal tax rates are above 50%, poverty is reduced dramatically, as well as crime rates, and you don’t see dynastic wealth that spurs inequality.”

    “Poverty” is reduced because EVERYONE is in a lower class. Being free does not mean everyone is equal in income, Robert, and your spewing of socialist agendas is getting old.

    “Blame the founders; they’re the ones who came up with that whole separation of church and state thing.”

    THAT PHRASE IS NOT IN THE CONSTITUTION. It was in a letter written by Thomas Jefferson to a Baptist congregation in Philadelphia. Concerned that the new government of the Colonies might establish a government religion, the church wrote to Jefferson and he responded that there was to be a “seperation of church and state,” hence the First Amendment. The ONLY mention of religion is there, and it says this:

    “Congress shall pass no law regarding the establishment of religion, or inhibiting the free expression thereof.”

    “You’re desperate to convince someone, anyone (including yourself), that your party has even a shred of integrity.”

    This from the party that continues to hail Bill Clinton as a great man and an honest leader.

    HA!

  24. “That’s because the LAW takes away their rights in a free market to pose consequences for failure and stupidity when people max their cards out and fail to make payments. They know the law right now is on the side of failure in the private sector. So the decent folks who have always carried this country will continue to do so by taking on that extra burden. ”

    That sums up a serious problem in our society that is not getting better. That problem is people are not held to the choices they make AND the government steps in an tries to absolve them of those choices. This only encourages more bad choices.

    What kind of society will we have if people are never held to the choices they make? It certainly is not a society I would wish to live in. In that sort of society very few criminals will ever see the inside of a jail cell. Those that do won’t stay there very long. That’s the very worst aspect of a society that has no consequences. The remaining aspects are not good. They are only less bad.

  25. “In every industrialized nation on earth where marginal tax rates are above 50%, poverty is reduced dramatically, as well as crime rates, and you don’t see dynastic wealth that spurs inequality.”

    Oh really? Well do you think Sven in Stockholm is jumping for joy when he get up everyday and goes to work while his neighbor Lars sits on his ass and gets paid to do nothing? Do think those two go out drinking together? Do you think they are best buddies. Do you think Sven is a happy man?

  26. “How many times have we gone over this? Big difference between a baby that has no choice and an adult who chooses consciously to commit murder. BIG DIFFERENCE.”

    Why? A life is a life. You can’t call yourself pro life if you really mean pro-whatever-I-deem-to-be-innocent-life. Do you really think God sees a difference, if that’s your stance? Sin is sin, right? And in his eyes, telling a lie is the same thing as murder. I just find it incredibly hypocritical that conservatives, by and large, are all in lock step on this issue…

    “What, S-CHIP? That program was so riddled with flaws that it would have cost far more than it was worth. It left far too many loopholes for exploitation. Try again.”

    What flaw? That it would cover pregnant women? See, you people aren’t pro life. The president vetoed the bill (which, oddly enough, passed both houses of Congress) because he thought it would “federalize health care”, and he specifically said he didn’t want the bill to cover more children. I guess that’s the loophole you spoke of…

    “The one thing that facilitates poverty the most is giving a handout to people who don’t want to work.”

    So how is it that welfare is proven to lift people out of poverty, not the opposite? You have no facts to substantiate your claims, just biased prejudice. You point to the one asshole you know that abuses the system and try to present it as the norm, even though statistics show that 85% of people on welfare are on the program for less than 12 months, not generations.

    “I beg your pardon? Do you seriously have the balls to walk in here after the previous conversations on the subject and call us racists yet again because we think Affirmative Action–essentially trying to legislate thought by forcing diversity rather than allowing true competition–is outdated and needs to be undone? You’re incredible.”

    I am not challenging the notion that affirmative action may have outlived its usefulness. I tend to somewhat agree with that. My problem is suggesting that it kills dreams, when it has done a lot of good over its lifetime. I merely drew the inference that John is most likely a closet racist because of his previously stated opposition to integration in schools, coupled with the fact that Affirmative Action is a “dream killer”.

    “Who’s trying to help the rich now? Unless you haven’t noticed, union bosses are just as rich as the lenders.”

    What? The rich are the ones trying to force GM’s failure. GM has been under the control of a hedge fund for quite some time, and as such, the bond holders stand to gain billions if GM fails. That hedge fund is dealing in credit default swaps, and has lots of bets that the company will fail. And since the insurance policies are larger than the debt, the bond holders get paid if GM fails, but lose money if it has to be restructured under bankruptcy. These “investors” hold $34 billion in CDS on GM, and if it fails, viola!, they profit $2.4 billion. Who’s trying to help the rich? The rich, that’s who…

    ““Poverty” is reduced because EVERYONE is in a lower class. Being free does not mean everyone is equal in income, Robert, and your spewing of socialist agendas is getting old.”

    And so is your advocacy of plutocracy. Why am I the only one who is concerned with the gap between the rich and the poor? A middle class is essential to any society, and the rich have been systematically trying to create a two class system since the 80’s. You’re on their side, but guess which class they’d put you in if they had the chance?

    “THAT PHRASE IS NOT IN THE CONSTITUTION”

    So, the first amendment doesn’t say “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof”? I just made that up? The phrase may not be there, but the intent sure is. And what exactly are you arguing? Do you think there should be no wall between church and state? Because if there weren’t, I guarantee that you and the rest of the gay community would be the first people they’d go after…

    “This from the party that continues to hail Bill Clinton as a great man and an honest leader.”

    Yeah, except I’m not a member of that party. Nice try, though…

  27. “Oh really? Well do you think Sven in Stockholm is jumping for joy when he get up everyday and goes to work while his neighbor Lars sits on his ass and gets paid to do nothing? Do think those two go out drinking together? Do you think they are best buddies. Do you think Sven is a happy man?”

    Actually, Sven is. You can’t preface an argument on a made up assumption. The fact of the matter is, both Sweden and Denmark routinely have the highest quality of life and are consistently in the top of the happiness index…

  28. “Blame the founders; they’re the ones who came up with that whole separation of church and state thing. And what would you like to see, John, a theocracy?”

    No but I would like to say Merry Christmas instead of Happy Holidays. I’d like to see a Manger scene on city hall property and not have a bunch of nutty PC’ers take that as a government endorsement of any religion.

  29. “And so is your advocacy of plutocracy. Why am I the only one who is concerned with the gap between the rich and the poor?”

    I don’t know why Robert. This gap would be a problem if a segements of society were shut out of any chance to become wealthy. People are not shut out. Everyone has a chance to try and become wealthy. Some people have a bigger head start towards that vs. others. But nobody is told, “You never ever get to try now go sweep the streets.”

    My mom grew up in poverty. My dad did too. When they married they had nothing in the way of assets. But they had ambition and goals and they reached their goals. They were never told, “You can’t start your own business. You can’t get rich. You can’t succeed. You are not allowed to try. Your children can never go to college. You children can never have professional jobs.”

    I think what bothers you is people piss away their opportunties and you feel overly responsible for that. I do have empathy for people who make a mess out of their lives. But I don’t see it as my obligation to fix their problems or pay for their troubles.

  30. “I merely drew the inference that John is most likely a closet racist because of his previously stated opposition to integration in schools, coupled with the fact that Affirmative Action is a “dream killer”.”

    I am not a racist. Integration in the schools hasn’t worked. The remedy to separate but equal was make it equal not Intergrate.

    As for Affirmative Action, gains under that program have come at the expense of real people. Affirmative Action is reverse discriminaton pure and simple.

  31. http://blogs.wsj.com/deals/2009/05/21/mean-street-the-sorry-state-of-our-sorriest-state-california/

    On Tuesday the voters of CA easily voted down a basket of ballot measures to close our budget deficit.

    If you want to see how America will be under Obama with higher taxes and socialism then read the above link.

    The People’s Republic of California is in bad shape for the very reasons in this article.

    I certainly hope the legislature takes an axe to all of that spending becuase the people have stood up and told them to go for it.

    As for the rest of the country, this too will happen in your state if Obama’s socialist agenda is not strangled in the cradle.

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