America is Slowly Fighting Its Way Back….

Just days after Governor Palin’s resignation and days after the media deems trouble with the GOP, a new set of polls released show that Americans are fighting back for conservative values….

First, according to the latest Gallup poll, Obama dropped another point in his ratings and is now at an all time low of 58%

Second, as Biden tries to convince us that government is the answer and that a second stimulus is needed, another poll reveals that 60% of Americans firmly oppose a second stimulus with only 27% supporting.

Third, Gallup also reveals that 68% are dissatisfied with the State of the Nation (it seems that “last eight years” bit is slowly running out).

Finally, a research poll done by Gallup on a lot of hot issues show that right now; as we speak, and in despite of November 2008’s election results, Americans are growing more toward conservatism as opposed to liberalism. 

Sad thing is, I am not certain how long this country can endure Carter#2.  The physical damage will indeed be done.  But the political damage to the left will pave way for a bright new era where recovery can begin.

***UPDATE***

The new daily Gallup released today at noon CST reveals yet another 2 point drop in the President’s approval rating bringing him down to 56%.

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23 thoughts on “America is Slowly Fighting Its Way Back….

  1. This is good news. People are waking up and understanding Obama is False Hope and Wrong Change.

  2. Are you people retarded? This is news? This is fucking sad, is what it is. Oh my God, someone’s poll numbers dropped, alert the media! This is a completely normal fluctuation, one that has been seen in every administration since these these numbers have been created. I think a logical question would be, why was it that you cons were so willing to ignore the 19% approval rating of the last “president”, and say stupid things like “polls don’t matter”? Oh, I forgot, polls only matter when the numbers go down slightly for a democrat. Hypocritical hacks, this whole fucking site…

  3. Well, Robert – the numbers fluctuated again today in regards to Obama’s approval.

    Two more points in one day down to 56%.

    19% at the end of 8 years, well…one thing for sure is Obama is indeed on a steady decline and nobody is happy with the condition of the country, nobody wants a stimulus, and nobody is looking for “change” anymore.

    The honeymoon is over. Is it possible for Obama to tank after the entire media was in bed with him?

    “Yes, he can!”

  4. So, the media is in bed with someone if they accurately report on the sorry state of your shitty party? (which, by the way, holds a laughable 25% approval rating) Hey, where’s the “news” about that? The honeymoon may be over, but people sure as fuck won’t be going back to you…

  5. “So, the media is in bed with someone if they accurately report on the sorry state of your shitty party?”

    No, they’re in bed by ignoring facts like his ties with Ayers, Wright, his lack of executive experience, the fact that he wanted to bankrupt the coal industry without any plan whatsoever for new jobs with regard to clean energy, NOTHING. Meanwhile, you got to say Sarah Palin was stupid. Remember that perk? Well no Americans are understanding they were screwed with….they are now understanding that people like Sarah Palin; unlike Obama, never needed the media to get people to like her.

    They realize their country is in trouble. They realize everything Bush went through like the war on terror, privatizing social security, and many other issues were serious that needed time and none were going to be solved without hard work and dedication.

    In just 6 months under this socialist, the auto industry, the mortgage industry, and soon – the healthcare industry will be controlled by the government which will never have to make a profit no matter how much or national debt increases.

    People realize they need someone back to undo all of this damage.

    Just wait until you open a utility bill in the next few months. We’ll see how blindly partisan you are then.

  6. “Oh my God, someone’s poll numbers dropped, alert the media! This is a completely normal fluctuation, one that has been seen in every administration since these these numbers have been created.”

    Obama has been on the job 5.5 months and he is down to 56%. I wonder what it will be in another six months?

    As for President Bush, can we move on? He’s not in office anymore. His watch is over. He’s history. He’s done. He’s out.

    This Obama thing is more interested in growing his personality cult than running the country.

    I’d like to see this Obama thing succeed because our nation can’t afford to fail. I don’t care if his kids wear J. Crew. That is not newsworthy. I don’t care if they dine in an English Pub or tour the Kremlin. None of that is news either.

    If this Obama had any sense then he’d leave his kids in DC and let them play jump rope or paper dolls with their friends. But, no, he’d rather pimp them in the limelight. That’s whacked. They can tour Russia and Britain after his term is up. Russian and Britian will still be around.

    If he really is our President then let’s seem him be the President.

  7. “the fact that he wanted to bankrupt the coal industry without any plan whatsoever for new jobs with regard to clean energy”

    Where the hell have you been? The coal industry, unfortunately, has a friend in Obama. Bankrupt them, what are you, high?

    “Meanwhile, you got to say Sarah Palin was stupid.”

    No, I, along with the rest of the country, got to witness it with my own eyes and ears. What kind of fucking moron thinks that the Vice President gets to create policy with Senators? Probably the same kind of moron that thinks that Africa is a country.

    “they are now understanding that people like Sarah Palin; unlike Obama, never needed the media to get people to like her.”

    Right, and that’s why the number one reason for not voting McCain was Sarah Palin. That’s why she quit her job after some convoluted nonsense about not being a quitter. What did she say, oh that’s right, she didn’t want to put Alaska through an entire Palin term. Can’t blame her for that.

    “In just 6 months under this socialist, the auto industry, the mortgage industry, and soon – the healthcare industry will be controlled by the government which will never have to make a profit no matter how much or national debt increases.”

    This is a laugh riot. You’re such a frightened little boy. Do you know how much of the American economy is “nationalized”? Something like 0.06%. Ooh, the scary socialists are coming, lock up your sick grandmother that can’t get health care!

    “People realize they need someone back to undo all of this damage.”

    And what exactly do you think the last election was about? Your party was overwhelmingly rejected Steve. Did you honestly think it was because you had better ideas? No, it was because you spent the better part of a decade destroying the country!

    “Just wait until you open a utility bill in the next few months. We’ll see how blindly partisan you are then.”

    Yeah, I gotta tell you, I’m gonna be real broken up over that extra $15.00 it’ll cost to cut dangerous emissions…

  8. “Are you people retarded? ”

    No. Are you out of touch with reality? You might be.

    Our nation owes $11 trillion dollars. That’s reality. It has another $53 trillion of shadow debt related to Social Security. That’s reality. We have give or take 300 million people in this nation. That real debt and shadow debt amounts to $213,333 for every person in this country rich and poor alike.

    There are not enough rich people in the world to tax our way out of these debts. That’s reality.

    I come to all of this from one simple place, we can’t afford all that we want so we must only pay for what we can afford. We want the Porsche. We can’t afford it. So, we buy the Ford Focus or take the bus.

    That’s where I am coming from.

  9. “And what exactly do you think the last election was about? Your party was overwhelmingly rejected Steve.”

    BOTH parties need to be rejected. The only reason I’m still listed as a Republican is because they’re the only party close enough to my views. The problem here is that we’ll never get a majority of Americans to really, finally, once and for all buck both parties in favor of someone who really does care about the country rather than themselves or their special interests…like Sarah Palin.

  10. “That’s where I am coming from.”

    Well, that’s a good place to come from John, and it’s not something I hear republicans leaping to admit. My frustration comes when cons only mention debt when their guy isn’t in charge. It seems a tad hypocritical…

  11. “Where the hell have you been? The coal industry, unfortunately, has a friend in Obama. Bankrupt them, what are you, high?”

    Right by alleged clean coal jobs that haven’t had a clear outline introduced yet but by imposing strict environmental laws on coal plants after this energy bill passes. Energy costs are going to skyrocket because the companies as they are will be paying higher fees to the government. Fees can include labor costs, envrionmental penalties, etc. Where are they going to recover that money? By raising your electric bill, unfortunately.

    “What kind of fucking moron thinks that the Vice President gets to create policy with Senators?”

    She didn’t say that. She said it had Senate responsibility and she’s right. The job of the VP is to break a tie in the Senate. That’s one of those in-bed-with-the-media characterizations people like you got used to. But now that the media won’t even be able to paint Obama’s MASSIVE inadequacies any prettier, we’ll be in a position where people won’t be listening to them anymore.

    Want to talk stupid? Apparently Biden and Obama didn’t understand it was so bad economically? Or was it that they didn’t realize it was as bad as it was?

    “Right, and that’s why the number one reason for not voting McCain was Sarah Palin.”

    That would be a good point but for the fact that it’s false and has no credible evidence to back up that assertion. How Shannyn Moore of you? It was indeed Sarah Palin that made McCain’s loss less humiliating. Her rallies generated more excitement than his. Her speech got more viewers than his. Her debate got more viewers than his or McCain’s. I know, everyone tuned in because they didn’t like her, right? LOL.

    “Do you know how much of the American economy is “nationalized”? Something like 0.06%”

    That is precisely 0.01% per month he’s in office.

    “Your party was overwhelmingly rejected Steve.”

    McCain’s moderate nature was rejected, not true conservatism. Again, your statement is tainted. Also, hundreds of thousands of jobs are down the tubes since November, so even if they had, they’ve changed their minds after one sniff of liberalism.

    “I’m gonna be real broken up over that extra $15.00 it’ll cost to cut dangerous emissions”

    Really, you’re paying more because of government intervention? Hmmmm…you must make more than $250K per year, no?

  12. “She didn’t say that. She said it had Senate responsibility and she’s right”

    Here’s her direct quote (and she was haplessly attempting to answer the question of a third grader):

    “They’re in charge of the US Senate, so if they want to, they can really get in there with the Senators and make a lot of good policy decisions”

    Here’s the video if you don’t believe me:

    “The job of the VP is to break a tie in the Senate”

    Yeah, except your Palin is dumber than a box of rocks and either doesn’t know that or doesn’t understand it.

    “That would be a good point but for the fact that it’s false and has no credible evidence to back up that assertion”

    Yeah, you’re right again:

    http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/02/poll.one.party/index.html?iref=mpstoryview

    http://themoderatevoice.com/24121/did-sarah-palin-lose-the-election-for-mccain/

    http://us-elections.suite101.com/article.cfm/how_john_mccain_lost_the_2008_election

    “How Shannyn Moore of you?”

    I’m sorry, is that a question? I don’t know who Shannyn Moore is, so I can’t answer that.

    “Her rallies generated more excitement than his”

    Let’s not forget racism and death threats.

    “Her speech got more viewers than his. Her debate got more viewers than his or McCain’s. I know, everyone tuned in because they didn’t like her, right?”

    Yup, she got all that media coverage, and people tuned in to see her. You automatically assume they like what they saw, but the election results prove that they didn’t.

    “McCain’s moderate nature was rejected, not true conservatism”

    It’s convenient to blame McCain because he lost, but I doubt that you’d make the same claim if he won. You’d be here extolling the virtues of conservatism, saying the public made the right choice. Only after you’re dealt a crushing defeat do you eat your own. Ironic…

    “Also, hundreds of thousands of jobs are down the tubes since November, so even if they had, they’ve changed their minds after one sniff of liberalism.”

    That’s disingenuous at best, and idiotic at worst. Why are you still trying to convince people that Obama caused this when it’s evident that the stock market peaked in October of 2007, and that Bush raised unemployment almost 4%? It couldn’t possibly be because your partisanship blinds you right? No!

  13. “Well, that’s a good place to come from John, and it’s not something I hear republicans leaping to admit. My frustration comes when cons only mention debt when their guy isn’t in charge. It seems a tad hypocritical…”

    It frustrates me neither party will stand up and take on this issue of staggering debt. It must be nice to continually push this problem off to the next President or the next Congress. Pity the fools who get elected and have this fall in their laps with few options to fix it. Tough medicine is coming with no spoon full of sugar to help it go down.

  14. 1.) Palin’s explanation was to a third grader. When I was in third grade, we were taught that Vice President of the United States was also “President of the Senate.” In fact I dug this up just for you, Robert. http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/briefing/Vice_President.htm

    That’s not grounds for calling her an idiot.

    What is grounds for being an idiot with a foot in your mouth is Joe Biden. For months, Obama kept using the word “crisis” to frighten Americans into giving him a pass on spending as much as he wanted to. Suddenly now, the “crisis” wasn’t a crisis because according to Biden, we now need another stimulus because Obama or him never knew we were in the middle of a crisis. HUH!?

    2.) There were no racism and death threats and Sarah Palin had nothing to do with ANYTHING that was shouted out anyway. I thought that alleged incident happened at a McCain rally anyway. Hey, how are McCain and Palin supposed to be responsible for one person out of hundreds of thousands of rally-attendees when you think it’s just dandy that Obama hung with Ayers who blew up government buildings and caused fellow Weatherman Underground members to die? Nah, we were blowing it out of proportion, weren’t we?

    3.) Articles that grant speculation based on OTHER negative media reports on Sarah Palin are not objective evidence. Do you know what objective evidence is? 70 million tuning in to watch her debate…..the most watched speeches and most-attended rallies.

    So, in order to win this ONE battle, you’re really willing to lose the entire war of ideology here? Are you saying that if Mitt Romney were the VP that McCain would have won because Americans wanted conservatism over liberalism?

    So which it in this convenient position-switching dance of yours? Was the country a bunch of conservatives who hated Sarah Palin? Or was the country a bunch of liberals thrilled to elect Obama?

    Depending on the subject, the emphasis seems to pile on or conveniently come off of Sarah Palin when it comes to your perception.

    But if you are willing to admit that more Americans would have voted for McCain – giving McCain the election – if he had Mitt Romney as a VP, I’ll peacefully agree to disagree with you.

    “Why are you still trying to convince people that Obama caused this when it’s evident that the stock market peaked in October of 2007, and that Bush raised unemployment almost 4%?”

    The facts of unemployment hikes during the Obama administration are there. The stimulus did not create the jobs. Bush suffered many crisis due to idiotic liberal policy like handing out homes to people who didn’t qualify, etc. Bush was responsible for the first bailout, but it was not eight years of conservative policy that caused that unemployment. If in fact, no stimulus was created and companies went bankrupt like they should have as well as individuals, we would be on a much better road now.

    But Obama’s plan seeks to punish the hard-worker and reward the failures.

    I acknowleged Bush’s idiocy on the firt bailout. But it was not conservative politics that led to it nor to the stimulus. That in and of itself is NOT a partisan position, it’s a moderate one while simultaneously your answer was to elect Dennis Kucinich.

  15. “The facts of unemployment hikes during the Obama administration are there. The stimulus did not create the jobs. ”

    Steve, I was watching either NBC news or ABC news about two weeks ago. According to the peice I saw, less than 10% of the $700 billion Stimulus has been spent.

    It’s not easy to plow $700 billion dollars into our economy all at once. There has to be places to put it. I am sure we all agree on that.

    What has been spent according to the news piece is not the most encouraging news. Jobs are being saved such as a health clinic in West Virginia. But they are not being created. I thought the Stimulus was supposed to create new jobs not save existing ones.

    Perhaps it is good we have not pushed the remainder of this money into our economy. If we are saving existing jobs then that defeats the purpose of the Stimulus.

  16. “That’s not grounds for calling her an idiot.”

    Sure it is. She’s an idiot, and you know it. The Vice President as President of the Senate does not get to make policy decisions with Senators. Why is it so hard to admit that she’s wrong? She’s factually wrong. She is incredibly ignorant on a whole host of issues, and it bothers you that everyone can see that.

    “Suddenly now, the “crisis” wasn’t a crisis because according to Biden, we now need another stimulus because Obama or him never knew we were in the middle of a crisis. HUH!?”

    Plenty of people, for months now, have been saying that the stimulus that was passed was too small. There was a very large hole dug by your party, and the stimulus wasn’t big enough to cover it. More is needed, but according to you, nobel prize winning economists are idiots with their feet in their mouths. Let’s just take that from a fucking accountant…

    “There were no racism and death threats and Sarah Palin had nothing to do with ANYTHING that was shouted out anyway”

    She enticed people to say stupid things by saying stupid things herself. Obama’s not like the rest of America, he pals around with terrorists, he doesn’t share our vision. What kind of reaction do you think that’s going to elicit in a bunch of inbred hicks? Her rallies most certainly were the jumping off point, and the Secret Service agrees.

    “Hey, how are McCain and Palin supposed to be responsible for one person out of hundreds of thousands of rally-attendees when you think it’s just dandy that Obama hung with Ayers who blew up government buildings and caused fellow Weatherman Underground members to die?”

    They’re not responsible for other’s actions, they’re responsible for the atmosphere. The GOP embraced and funded countless attacks on Obama’s character, fueling idiotic theories about him being a Muslim, and how he wasn’t really born in this country, when in reality, it was their guy who wasn’t born in this country. And there is a huge fucking difference from peddling that type of fear mongering and being appointed to a board with some guy who was a radical war protester when Obama was a little kid. Where’s the phony outrage that John McCain calls G. Gordon Liddy friend, the man who gave tips on the best way to kill a federal agent and felt a strength he had never felt before when listening to Hitler speeches. He calls this man friend, and the cons say nothing! But when Obama is appointed to an education board by a republican, a republican who just so happened to appoint this radical, all of a sudden, they’re best buddies. The right wing smear machine is by far the most disgusting and hypocritical I have ever known. And you embrace it. I’d ask you to be ashamed of yourself, but I know that will never happen.

    “Do you know what objective evidence is? 70 million tuning in to watch her debate…..the most watched speeches and most-attended rallies.”

    And what exactly is that evidence of, Steve? Let’s forget about your bullshit popularity contest, and ask the question, did people want her in a position of power? The answer was obviously a resounding no, but you being the knuckle headed dope you are, think it means the exact opposite.

    “Are you saying that if Mitt Romney were the VP that McCain would have won because Americans wanted conservatism over liberalism?”

    I never made that argument, you did! You can’t be this dumb, seriously. Any Republican on any ticket faced an uphill battle. Sarah Palin aside, Bush’s horrible economy aside, no republican could have won that election. Bush made sure of that with his idiotic endeavors in the Middle East and his preferential treatment of the rich, not to mention his wanton law breaking here at home. If you’re asking for a prediction, then yeah, Romney will win the nomination in 2012, but that’s among republicans.

    “Was the country a bunch of conservatives who hated Sarah Palin? Or was the country a bunch of liberals thrilled to elect Obama?”

    Why would conservatives hate Palin? The country was fed up with the republican party, and Obama was the best option. Pure and simple. He wasn’t my first choice (or second or third), but he was the best candidate available. That’s what happened all across the nation.

    “The facts of unemployment hikes during the Obama administration are there”

    As they were there during the Bush years. You like to omit that, because it suits your one sided argument. The facts don’t tell the same story as you.

    “The stimulus did not create the jobs”

    Only 5% of the stimulus has even gone out, again, a fact omitted to suit you. As a matter of fact, the government has already made money from the stimulus, from the banks that returned the money. Those banks that didn’t like Obama’s pesky little oversight have given the money back, but it came with interest, so we got back more than we loaned. Funny how that works…

    “Bush suffered many crisis due to idiotic liberal policy like handing out homes to people who didn’t qualify, etc”

    I can’t tell you how much it bothers me that you’re attempting to rewrite history here. What liberal policy are you speaking of, Steve? Because the last time I checked, Bush took it upon himself to go out and tell the public how HE had the lending institutions relax their standards, and about how HE thought it was great that first time home buyers shouldn’t have to have a “lousy home” as their first home. It was HIS ownership society that created what you think was the sole reason for the economic collapse.

    “Bush was responsible for the first bailout, but it was not eight years of conservative policy that caused that unemployment.”

    Okay, so all you’re acknowledging is that Bush was not a conservative. Why don’t you tell us what caused the rate of unemployment to rise during the Bush years? Tell us what exactly the non conservative policies were that resulted in the most dismal job creation record on record. I’m curios…

    “If in fact, no stimulus was created and companies went bankrupt like they should have as well as individuals, we would be on a much better road now.”

    So, you’re saying that in order to counter the problem of the halt in credit, the entire government should just not spent any money as well, and that would have fixed everything? Isn’t that counteracting the poison with the same poison? If the problem with the economy was no money was moving through it, how on earth is even less spending going to fix it? You’re not making any sense at all…

    “But Obama’s plan seeks to punish the hard-worker and reward the failures.”

    Was it Obama who offered up nearly a trillion dollars to the collective failure known as the financial sector with no questions asked? No, I do believe it was your guy who rewarded that failure. Did he seek to limit CEO compensation in that pathetic excuse for a bill? No, he provided protection of bonuses for the very CEOs who were responsible for the companies’ failure. Did he require that Congress be made aware of how the taxpayer’s money would be spent? No, the bill was three pages, and he said, here’s some cash, come get it. No one care why or how you fucked up, but help yourself. For all the cons’ talk rhetoric about rewarding failure, they themselves fail to see that it was their party that was truly rewarding failure. So save you speech, because no one’s listening.

  17. “Sure it is. She’s an idiot, and you know it.”

    Again, it says “President of the Senate” and breaking a tie on a policy dispute is indeed what she was talking about. I suggest you take the definiton of the VP to Thomas Jefferson if you have such a problem with it.

    Moreover; I suppose Sarah would have quite a different answer now after hearing Biden proclaim that the administration is just now realizing a crisis.

    Furthermore; Americans understand more and more everyday (hence the polls cited above) that liberal policies were responsible for mortgage practices and how liberal politicians were in bed with execs at the giants like Barney Frank was, literally. They knew and did nothing, fought Bush when he warned, fought Republicans when they warned.

    Now, you say economists – without a doubt – say its best to print even more money we don’t have. Inflation will erase bad mortgages? Economists come and go and each has an opinion that counters the other. Since you brought up my accounting experience, I know what the recipe for economic disastor is and the equation for success is. Ready? Don’t spend more than what you got! In the Community Reinvestment Act, somehow that line was skipped.

    Did you notice the poll about 27% of Americans supporting another stimulus? I think its great Obama will keep pushing for one, and you as his constituent for that matter. One more week, he should be around 48%.

    “She enticed people to say stupid things by saying stupid things herself. Obama’s not like the rest of America, he pals around with terrorists, he doesn’t share our vision. What kind of reaction do you think that’s going to elicit in a bunch of inbred hicks?”

    Uh huh. Hey inbred hicks can pay the rent. The ACORN Obama voters couldn’t even do that much. Remember? He was going to pay her rent and light bill? Second, it was a fact that Obama became active politically in Bill Ayers’ livingroom and Bill Ayers was also a major contributor. Saying that they palled around was more than fair.

    “Bush’s horrible economy aside, no republican could have won that election.”

    So then you’re saying you cannot prove that Sarah Palin cause McCain to lose an election….fine then stop saying it because it was never a formula that could be proven. The night Palin was nominated, the RNC raised a record-breaking amount of money. The base was energized and remains energized by her which is why liberals at every blog and website possible cannot shut up about her and why she’s has 18 ridiculous ethics charges brought up against her. McCain lost because he’s was a terrible nominee.

    “Why would conservatives hate Palin? The country was fed up with the republican party, and Obama was the best option.”

    I don’t know why they would. Ask the many nameless McCain staffers who keep getting mentioned by Arianna Huffington. The fact is, McCain had no charge, he was noble but flawed on areas that did not represent his party well. If Will Smith would have ran for President, he would have beat McCain.

    “As they were there during the Bush years. You like to omit that, because it suits your one sided argument.”

    Nowhere near it in comparison.

    “Only 5% of the stimulus has even gone out”

    Great! Tell Joe Biden. He thinks we need another one.

    “Okay, so all you’re acknowledging is that Bush was not a conservative. Why don’t you tell us what caused the rate of unemployment to rise during the Bush years?”

    I’m acknowledging that he was no conservative with the bailout. The tax cuts were great and helped. The capital gains taxes were kept low and for most of the Bush years, the economy was great. People’s portfolios were going up, people were earning lots of money in stock sales, people paid more income tax under the Bush rates because there was more success. Obama has raised taxes and won’t retrieve half of what Bush did because there is no consumer confidence now in the current government.

    It was the job of others to create jobs. Not the government. That’s the problem, Robert. The Bush years forced folks to go out and earn a living the old fashioned way. You don’t deserve a job just because you are breathing. As a proprietor, you have to EARN the opportunity to work for someone….be it an employer or a customer.

    “Bush took it upon himself to go out and tell the public how HE had the lending institutions relax their standards”

    Robert that is so untrue. Clinton’ era pushed for more home ownership that finished off what Carter wanted started decades ago…even this article talks about Reps. and Dems. and the blame game and acknowledges that there is lots of blame to go around (though they do not mention the actual acts that were signed)…

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/12/09/fannie-freddie-testimony-_n_149519.html

    Even they are more objective than you on the Huffington Post. Also, when liberals were complaining about poor lending standards, their main issue with Bush were the little local mortgage brokers (a.k.a. the “predatory lenders”) in everyone’s town. That’s fine Robert, but with Fannie and Freddie busy to keep members of the parties happy, and allowing, through the law and signed legislation through the Fair Housing Act that removed restrictions, what’s going after the local guys going to do when the ultimate Gods of the mortgage world are throwing out these loans.

    The mortgage brokers only earned commissions, they didn’t reach into their pockets and hand the money right to the unworthy borrowers, did they? No, there had to be a government-entity that guaranteed those under an Act written WAY BEFORE George W Bush was sworn into office.

    “If the problem with the economy was no money was moving through it, how on earth is even less spending going to fix it?”

    You give the people an attitude adjustment with their spending. They learn a lesson. Now that the government has thrown them money, they haven’t learned a darn thing and Biden still says we need more. It is not like oatmeal, it will not stay with them.

    “So save you speech, because no one’s listening.”

    Apparently you just did.

    The bailout: I was against it.

    The bonuses: There were certain members that were worthy to receive bonuses, not all, but some. It’s difficult to justify leaving things go to the free market when it was taxpayer money that footed the bill. But it was many Republicans in the House and Senate screaming against it while your guys used that against McCain during the election because “something must be done now!” That indeed was Bush’s epic failure. His promotion of the bailout.

    But what Obama has done is come back with a plan to just send money out in droves with government restrictions and rules on everything under the sun. That is why bankruptcy was a better answer. You defend it, because temporarily, your government has control over what should be free and open commerce.

    Americans see that and they don’t like it. It’s why he’s starting to slip and it’s why only 27% support another one.

  18. “Your party was overwhelmingly rejected Steve.”

    Ummm… No… While McCain was trounced by the Electoral College, Obama won by 8,542,597 votes over McCain. That about the same population of New York City. I wouldn’t call that an overwhelming rejection.

  19. “Obama won by 8,542,597 votes over McCain. That about the same population of New York City. I wouldn’t call that an overwhelming rejection.”

    Then you’re an idiot. The Republicans lost seats in the House and the Senate, and of course the White House. If that’s not an overwhelming rejection, on every conceivable level, then I don’t know what is. Reagan beat Carter by the same amount of votes (a smaller percentage, but the same amount of votes), and you people hail that as the biggest landslide ever. Now, when a democrat does it with a higher percentage of the vote, it’s nothing to write home about. Make up your mind, is it a massive landslide or not even a rejection?

  20. “Make up your mind, is it a massive landslide or not even a rejection?”

    Robert for me it is this way:

    Do I want to have someone endlessly drag their fingernails down a chalkboard or do I want to endure endless sessions of someone bitching and complaining without taking a rest?

    I think Americans decided one method of torture over another because the previous method of torture did not work anymore.

    This is why I envy foreign countries with their multiple political parties and coalition governments. Everyone has to stay relevant and on their toes or get left behind.

    I am not a big fan of the British Nationalist Party (BNP) but I do like the fact the system over there gives that party a chance to win seats.

    Here is the U.S. an obscure political party could never get anyone elected dogcatcher.

    I’ve beent old one party rule is awful. Well…two party rule is no picnic either.

  21. “Again, it says “President of the Senate” and breaking a tie on a policy dispute is indeed what she was talking about”

    No, no, no, no, no, no no; no no no, no, no, no. It wasn’t. She never once mentioned one word about casting a tie breaking vote, which is the SOLE function of the VP in the role of President of the Senate. She started rambling about creating policy with Senators.

    “Moreover; I suppose Sarah would have quite a different answer now after hearing Biden proclaim that the administration is just now realizing a crisis.”

    I’m sorry, but this sounds a little specious coming from the fine folks who proclaimed the fundamentals of the economy to be strong in the middle of a crisis, then tried to amend the definition of the word fundamental to mean ‘people’…

    “Furthermore; Americans understand more and more everyday (hence the polls cited above) that liberal policies were responsible for mortgage practices”

    Let’s pretend that you’re right (since you’re so adept at it), and say that conservatives are blameless in the mortgage debacle because you have a video of the Congressional Black Caucus fighting the practice of redlining. That still is not the reason why we are where we are today. Find me one economist that says the housing crisis was the cause of it all, and I’ll show you someone who’s full of shit. Economists in every capacity, including official (including those working for Bush’s FDIC and the Federal Reserve), and even the Maestro himself, Alan Greenspan, all admit that the housing crisis was merely a symptom of the problem that caused the economic collapse. Where exactly does that leave your argument?

    “They knew and did nothing, fought Bush when he warned”

    Well, here’s the problem; this “warning”, was it before or after he said this?:

    “Don’t spend more than what you got!”

    You say that, but yet you have no problem with how Reagan governed. That’s the damnedest thing…

    “In the Community Reinvestment Act, somehow that line was skipped.”

    The CRA didn’t encourage people to spend more than they had, it merely prevented the banks from redlining mostly minority folks.

    “Did you notice the poll about 27% of Americans supporting another stimulus? I think its great Obama will keep pushing for one”

    Well, first, Obama is not pushing for another one, and second, do you really expect the (largely) uninformed public to support another one when the right wing and the corporate media have demonized the first one we have? You ate that shit up, and either ignored or were unaware (neither would surprise me) of the fact that so little of the money has even gone out thus far.

    “He was going to pay her rent and light bill?”

    Right, and when exactly did this woman say that she was going to kill McCain and/or Palin? Was it before or after she called them terrorists?

    “Second, it was a fact that Obama became active politically in Bill Ayers’ livingroom and Bill Ayers was also a major contributor. Saying that they palled around was more than fair.”

    No, it wasn’t, it was a ploy to score cheap political points, and it backfired. Just read this and shut the hell up about it:

    http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/he_lied_about_bill_ayers.html

    “So then you’re saying you cannot prove that Sarah Palin cause McCain to lose an election”

    No, I can’t prove that, all I can tell you is the reasons that people gave for not voting for McCain. Like I said, any republican would have lost that election. I do think that McCain would have fared better if he picked a different running mate, but he still would have lost.

    “The night Palin was nominated, the RNC raised a record-breaking amount of money”

    Hm, that’s funny, so did Obama. And before you jump to the conclusion that the folks who donated must have been afraid of her, let the possibility that she was horribly unfit for the job present itself first.

    “The base was energized and remains energized by her which is why liberals at every blog and website possible cannot shut up about her”

    If you say so. I’ll just leave it at this, and tell you that you are the only, the sole person I know that EVER talks about her. None of my liberal friends say one goddamn word about her. Hell, even the cons I know don’t speak her name. It’s just you, man. You’re a one man campaign…

    “McCain lost because he’s was a terrible nominee.”

    Exactly, with a terrible running mate. She was inexplicably ignorant on any issues outside her comfort zone of energy, and the public saw that. She couldn’t seem to grasp the basic concept of what she was campaigning for, and she came off as condescending, when it was clear that she was incredibly narcissistic. People don’t generally go for that, and that’s why she was sent back to her home state, where she couldn’t even manage to complete her job that she promised the people of the state she would. I just think that if she’s thinking of running in 2012, she just fucked up what slim chance she may have had in the first place. If she can’t take the pressure and the scrutiny of running one of the tiniest states in the union, what chance does she have to run a country? I think that showed a real lack of intestinal fortitude. But, you seem to see it another way, which is confusing, but hey, to each their own.

    “Ask the many nameless McCain staffers who keep getting mentioned by Arianna Huffington”

    Yeah, that’s another great point. She couldn’t even manage to be respectful enough to stick to the script and stop pissing people off for two months. How hard is that? She wanted to give a concession speech the night McCain lost, for crying out loud. I’m sure you’ll put some fabulous twist on this and call her a free spirit, or some other loaded pile of bullshit, but the fact of the matter is, she can’t follow simple instructions and needs to be the center of attention. Classic narcissist.

    “The tax cuts were great and helped”

    The tax cuts cost the country $1.8 Trillion, and we make a big fucking fuss over providing people with basic health care? The tax cuts served to amass more wealth for those who don’t need it, while shifting the burden to the middle and lower classes. I guess that’s a good thing to some twisted souls…

    “for most of the Bush years, the economy was great”

    Oh, right, two recessions aside. Let’s just keep that little anomaly quiet, shall we?

    “people paid more income tax under the Bush rates because there was more success”

    No, they didn’t. That idiotic stunt cost the treasury almost two trillion dollars. And as a result, deficits went through the roof, but that didn’t curb spending one bit!

    “Obama has raised taxes and won’t retrieve half of what Bush did because there is no consumer confidence now in the current government.”

    What does consumer confidence have to do with government revenues? And another thing, Obama hasn’t raised taxes, he’s cut them. This is why I go bitchcakes when conservatives cry for more tax cuts in the stimulus. Two thirds of the damn thing is tax cuts already! What more do you want? Oh, right, you want the tax cuts to go to the wealthy, not average Americans, because you cling to the inane notion that economies are built from the top down.

    “It was the job of others to create jobs. Not the government”

    Right, and when that route failed, your answer was to do nothing. Unfortunately for you, the government is great at creating jobs. I have a sneaking suspicion that if you had it your way, infrastructure would crumble to nothing while you sat back and praised the mythical free market.

    “The Bush years forced folks to go out and earn a living the old fashioned way.”

    The Bush years forced people into poverty and made them choose between health insurance and heating oil.

    “Robert that is so untrue. Clinton’ era pushed for more home ownership that finished off what Carter wanted started decades ago”

    Then go ahead and try to explain the above video. I’ll wait.

    “Also, when liberals were complaining about poor lending standards, their main issue with Bush were the little local mortgage brokers (a.k.a. the “predatory lenders”) in everyone’s town.”

    Oh, it wasn’t just liberals. Every single solitary Attorney General from all fifty states in the union, Republican and Democrat, got together to band against subprime lenders, while the Bush Administration intervened and sided with the banks, using a clause in the 1863 National Bank Act AGAINST the consumers it was supposed to protect, rendering state predatory laws useless. Elliot Spitzer tried to warn us months before the housing crisis began, but even then it was too late. This is precisely why I take pause anytime the cons peddle this lie about Bush giving an earnest warning about the very crisis to which he was turning a blind eye. Read this op-ed from Spitzer early last year, and you’ll see what I’m talking about:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/13/AR2008021302783.html

    “No, there had to be a government-entity that guaranteed those under an Act written WAY BEFORE George W Bush was sworn into office.”

    This doesn’t make sense on any level. For your assertion to be true, people would have to faithfully pay down their mortgages for ten years in some cases, then decide out of the blue to stop making payments and get foreclosed on. Home sales were fairly low under Bush until Greenspan dropped the interest rates to nearly zero, then they jumped up, correlating perfectly with the fact that most foreclosures occur in the first three years of home ownership. Home ownership increased 1.5% every year under Clinton, and we never saw a huge problem with foreclosures, let alone the thirty plus years the CRA existed before you tried to magically make it the cause celebre you have today.

    “Now that the government has thrown them money, they haven’t learned a darn thing and Biden still says we need more”

    Who exactly are you talking about? Because I’ve never heard you utter one bad word about the savings & loan bailouts under Reagan. That only encouraged banks to engage in bad behavior, knowing that the taxpayers would foot the bill for them.

    “your guys used that against McCain during the election because “something must be done now!”

    No one that I know criticized him for his vote on the bailout until he began labeling Obama a socialist. Once he did that, he opened to door to attacks on his own brand of socialism. I didn’t like the bank bailout one bit, but I understood how it would look to vote no in a time of crisis. It would look like he chose to do nothing, and for a presidential candidate, that would have been a sure fire death sentence.

    “But what Obama has done is come back with a plan to just send money out in droves with government restrictions and rules on everything under the sun.”

    Which is far and away better than sending it out with no questions asked. I really don’t know why you’d mention the regulation as if it’s a bad thing to have when you’re dealing with taxpayer money. It’s like the football game with no rules analogy, it simply doesn’t work.

    “You defend it, because temporarily, your government has control over what should be free and open commerce.”

    Okay, free and open commerce is what has landed us in this position to begin with. More of the same will not fix it. A hands off approach is what got us into trouble, and a little supervision is not a whole lot to ask for.

    “Americans see that and they don’t like it. It’s why he’s starting to slip and it’s why only 27% support another one.”

    60% ain’t bad, and I really don’t know how long you expected it to last. Look at any past president, their approval ratings in the same point in their administrations are actually lower. It’s why I chuckle when you post stupid shit like this. You act like a kid in Disneyland because his poll numbers fell two points and you think it’s a big deal, like everyone suddenly started thinking like you. God help us if that’s the case…

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