It took seven months…

But Obama has now made such a mess that even the Messiah-loving media cannot clowd over. 

Good news:  Almost half of America is sane again.

Bad News: Half of America is still drunk.

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Sorry I have been away, I have been on a few mini-vacations exploring the great Midwest.  But I cannot think of a better way to check in with everyone than this.

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43 thoughts on “It took seven months…

  1. Do approval rating translate into anything? I think if they did then we’d see far fewer incumbents getting re-elected. Here in CA when you win a Congressional seat it is your seat for life unless you really, really, really screw it up.

    Part of the reason why seats rarely change hands in CA is because both the Democrats and the Republicans do not believe in challenging an incumbent during the Primary. This guarantees continued re-election.

  2. Well, we’ll see. Historically, approval ratings and daily trackings weren’t as reliable because pollsters have more ways of contacting folks now. Plus, they are really proving to ring true once election time rolls around, as per the last national election and the 2006 midterms as well.

    The idea of this particular one is how the media is shutting up now that the ratings have fallen 12-13-14 points and so quickly.

    And it’s going to be so refreshing to watch the media not be able to gloss truth over anymore.

  3. Malik,

    It’s Vanity Fair. You cannot expect much from the magazine most famous for its “pregnant Demi Moore” cover.

    I think it’s cute that they hung on Sarah’s every word as they obviously did.

    I also wonder how they could have missed the story on Obama’s obvious teleprompter slip when he said that a police officer acted “stupidly.”

    Overall, impressive enough that they paid that much attention to dissect a speech by Sarah Palin – probably the first time in political history that’s ever been done – and that they are who they are, I’d say it’s not only expected, but what we need.

    America doesn’t want someone reading a teleprompter and using fancy words. We need someone to bring our values back.

    Palin isn’t the smartest woman in the world, Obama isn’t the smartest man….but only one remains the one with the strongest track record of executive success.

  4. “But Obama has now made such a mess that even the Messiah-loving media cannot clowd [sic] over.

    Bad News: Half of America is still drunk.”

    And sadly, they still have access to their keyboards…

  5. “Palin isn’t the smartest woman in the world, Obama isn’t the smartest man….but only one remains the one with the strongest track record of executive success.”

    Yeah, nothing says success like quitting in the middle of your job. What an awesome role model…

  6. “And sadly, they still have access to their keyboards…”

    An honest mistake, one which is made often….I simply don’t have as much time as you do to make sure I double check everything with spell check. Sometimes I quickly type posts from work, but Heaven knows I don’t have the internet time that you do, so forgive me.

    I did; however, win spelling bees in 8th, 9th, and 10th grade.

    “Yeah, nothing says success like quitting in the middle of your job. What an awesome role model…”

    A better role model: staying on as an Illinois Senator while running for President, collect a paycheck, and do nothing but vote “present.”

    I don’t know if I’d call that an “awesome role model” but I would call that a typical liberal.

    All in all, it’s pleasant to get the reaction out of you I love to get and expect when you are hit with facts you don’t like. The enlightened and happy liberal I always seem to find in you.

    I’m going to have a blast once that approval rating hits 49%!

  7. “I simply don’t have as much time as you do to make sure I double check everything with spell check. ”

    You know, if you can’t spell well enough, the computer will do it for you…

    “I’m going to have a blast once that approval rating hits 49%!”

    Well, you’re being selective, which is to be expected. God forbid you post the poll that puts him at 61%…

  8. “You know, if you can’t spell well enough, the computer will do it for you…”

    Funny that you seem to know that so well and offer it up so quickly!

    “Well, you’re being selective, which is to be expected. God forbid you post the poll that puts him at 61%…”

    I could also post the one that put GWB in high ratings, too seeings as his didn’t tank as fast. Hell, even Jimmy Carter’s didn’t tank as fast! But I choose to focus on the future. There ARE other polls that put his approval rating under 50% but I tend to stick with Gallup, that way nobody can claim a political bias.

    Plus I have always proclaimed since day one: it’s always been our job as Americans to be as respectful of your President as you were to ours.

  9. “I could also post the one that put GWB in high ratings, too seeings as his didn’t tank as fast”

    Actually, he did, and it was actually tanking too, not this 50% crap that you posted. He was widely considered to be a lame duck before his first year was up.

    “Plus I have always proclaimed since day one: it’s always been our job as Americans to be as respectful of your President as you were to ours.”

    What are you, eight years old? People had legitimate beefs with Bush, like, oh I don’t know, not actually winning an election, lying the country into a war of choice, and spying on our communications to name a few. You people, however, are vindictive and petty, and bandy about idiotic notions of the president being born on foreign soil and bitch about government spending after having your jaws wired shut while your guy was in office spending like an out of control teenaged girl.

  10. “Actually, he did, and it was actually tanking too, not this 50% crap that you posted. He was widely considered to be a lame duck before his first year was up.”

    Well, he was. Liberals had it in for him since he beat Al Gore in 2000. At LEAST GWB didn’t get hit with 20 federal ethics investigations in one year.

    You know, that’s what I don’t get about liberals most. Liberals and bloggers in Alaska are proud of the 20 ethics complaints against Sarah Palin for things like having a tanning bed in her home or for having a private fund set aside which was funded by her supporters and friends to assist her in paying legal fees against the ethics investigations – they show no remorse whatsoever for the millions of dollars in taxpayer money spent on investigative and prosecutorial fees.

    The only way for Sarah to stop that was to hand over her governorship to another fabulous right-winger to save taxpayers the next set of millions to be spent on stupid ethics violations.

    But, ask a liberal: “She quit! That’s it, there was no reason at all, she just got lazy and quit!”

    Even as a lame duck, her popularity remained positive.

    Back to Obama, he tanked by 12 points since recent months.

    “What are you, eight years old? People had legitimate beefs with Bush, like, oh I don’t know, not actually winning an election”

    Ha, see what I mean? He WAS a lame duck.

    But as Obama was the one screaming at Rush Limbaugh for exercising his right to free speech, can you have imagined GWB doing that ESPECIALLY listening to liberals everyday for eight years say the crazy things that you just mentioned?

    Apparently one has a thicker skin and doesn’t cry like a ninny when a radio show host dissents from his policies.

  11. “Apparently one has a thicker skin and doesn’t cry like a ninny when a radio show host dissents from his policies.”

    Or invite people over for beer because a close friend can’t handle a personal problem of his own making.

  12. Regarding the Vanity Fair piece…some people don’t know when to quit. She is out of office. Leave her alone unless you’ve got some sick fascination which obviously those who dislike her do.

  13. John – that’s the point in the grand scheme of things.

    Liberals don’t know it yet, but their hatred of Sarah Palin has already exceeded their hatred of Ronald Reagan and GWB combined.

    This did happen in the past with another figure and since the media was on their side, the first few rounds were easy. But as usual – and as they are doing now – they dug their own graves.

  14. “Liberals don’t know it yet, but their hatred of Sarah Palin has already exceeded their hatred of Ronald Reagan and GWB combined.”

    When I look at Sarah Palin’s background, she did not seem like someone who would get tabbed as a VP nominee. But, she was.

    I sense a ton of envy on the part of Liberals because she got as far as she did. It’s human nature to be envious of the success of others to one degree or another. Envy can be a motivating force. Envy is can be a good thing if it motivates you to do more.

    Envy can also be a bad thing. If all it does is motivate you to knock the other person down and whine and beeyatch about what they’ve done and how rotten they are, then get over it.

    So, I see a lot of negative envy working here and it is time to move on. She was tabbed a VP like it or not. We’ve all been tabbed in life to take on things that other people believe we are not ready for or other people think they should have for themselves. Instead of whining, be gracious and do what you need to do to reach your own goals.

  15. Honestly, I think you are so accurate in many of your assessments, but I also honestly have to say it was her non-Washington experience that attracted me to her.

    I remember during the campaign, so many people were saying “he could have tapped Olympia Snowe, she has a lot more experience.”

    But as Snowe continues to show us how flimsy her spine is on the big issues, I am happy to report that Sarah Palin was indeed one choice that McCain got right.

    We’ll see how she progresses. But one thing remains, the hate liberals have for her will only keep getting stronger.

    She should have looked at Biden on stage during the debate and said “I will concede Senator that I do not have your Washington experience – and you know, I don’t want it!” (followed of course by a smile and a wink).

  16. “Honestly, I think you are so accurate in many of your assessments,…”

    Thank you. It’s human nature to compare ourselves to others. It’s human nature to be envious of others.

  17. “…not actually winning an election…”

    I get so sick of hearing that. To me, that ranks right up there with some Republicans claiming that Obama’s birth certificate is a forgery. It’s a crock. This is all coming from the same guy who says he trusts the government to take care of him when he gets sick–the same government that was supposedly up to its eyeballs in fraud? Come on, Robert. Drop it.

    “…and bitch about government spending after having your jaws wired shut while your guy was in office spending like an out of control teenaged girl.”

    Um, I remember as far back as 2002-2003 Bush trying to warn everyone of the impending economic disaster. The Democrats and the media tried to paint him as a doomsday prophet back then, and kept telling him to shut up. That doesn’t mean I agree with the TARP decision at the end of his 2nd term, but YOUR GUY kept it going and expanded it with the so-called “stimulus” that is now being misspent on “art projects” that amount to little more than porn in public.

    You climbed all over us for defending Bush when we did. Call it like it is, you said. Just admit it, you cried–he’s a pain! I’m gonna take this opportunity to say the same thing to you.

    We have been perfectly capable of calling Bush out when he did things that weren’t kosher. Do the same thing or don’t speak at all.

  18. “…not actually winning an election…”

    Robert

    I get so sick of hearing that.

    Mel

    As do I. The Democrats took New Hampshire for granted, underestimated Ralph Nader, and they blame it all on Florida, Bush and The Supreme Court.

    How amazing they forget their own mistakes.

  19. “I get so sick of hearing that. To me, that ranks right up there with some Republicans claiming that Obama’s birth certificate is a forgery. It’s a crock.”

    What’s the crock, Mel? The part about legitimacy? If you define legitimacy as the will of the people, Bush was absolutely illegitimate. And there’s really nothing that you can refute here. This is not at all like the birthers, who, if they bothered to look at Obama’s birth certificate, would know they’re idiots. In order for their scheme to work, and mind you, my boss is one of these loons, the Hawaiian health department would have had to put an announcement in TWO Hawaiian newspapers, doctor a birth certificate, and pray like hell that that kid would become president one day. It’s a plan forty seven years in the making. Patient bunch, those America haters. The Florida situation, on the other hand, was rife with chicanery and complaints from people turned away from the voting booth because erroneous lists were used by the Secretary of State Katherine Harris.

    Harris’s office had ordered the elimination of 8,000 Florida voters on the grounds that they had committed felonies in other states. None had. Harris bought the bum list from a company called ChoicePoint, a firm whose Atlanta executive suite and boardroom are filled with Republican funders. ChoicePoint, we have learned, picked up the list of faux felons from state officials in – ahem – Texas. In fact, it was a roster of people who, like their Governor, George W, had committed nothing more than misdemeanors. Only felony convictions carry the penalty of loss of rights to vote in certain states. Apparently, this list wasn’t good enough for the Secretary of State, and she ordered a new list, 58,000 strong, with looser standards for how a name got on the list.

    Close matches were now included, and various forms of a single name were transformed; for example, a woman named Christine was denied the right to vote because a man named Christopher with the same last name was convicted of a felony, producing a false positive. Some supposed felons even had conviction dates listed as being in 2025! Want proof that people were erroneously listed as felons? Linda Howell, the elections supervisor of Madison County, Florida, had her name show up on the list. Needless to say, she was not a felon.

    This was the direct result of the State of Florida handing over the voter rolls of the state to a private corporation, the first time in history this had been done. ChoicePoint eventually admitted that their list of “felons” was 95% inaccurate, and 54% of those names belonged to African Americans, 98% of whom vote democratic. In lieu of an apology, ChoicePoint spokesman Martin Fagan said “I guess that’s a little bit embarrassing in light of the election”. Really?

    On April 17, 2000, ChoicePoint Vice-President James Lee testified at a special Congressional hearing in Atlanta that Florida had ordered DBT (ChoicePoint’s parent company) to add to the list voters who matched 80% of an ineligible voter’s name, middle initials, and suffixes were to be dropped, while nicknames and aliases were added. And on and on. This is all a matter of public record, and it all screams illegitimacy. This is a far cry from some racist wack job convincing themselves that Obama is Kenyan.

  20. “This is all coming from the same guy who says he trusts the government to take care of him when he gets sick”

    Ah, I see; it’s good enough to give the troops the best health care in the world, but far too incompetent to run a public option. Got it.

    “Um, I remember as far back as 2002-2003 Bush trying to warn everyone of the impending economic disaster”

    Really, because I recall him adding nearly six trillion in national debt when all was said and done. I also recall him encouraging more people to buy homes in 2003, telling the country in a press conference that he had ordered the government to relax credit standards so that more low income folks could own nice homes. I recall him having Greenspan lower interest rates to nearly zero to inflate the housing bubble. I remember all of these things, and yet, not one instance where he attempted to do a damn thing about it. Remember the call to arms for all fifty Attorneys General to stop the practice of predatory lending by banks? Remember Bush siding with the banks and using a clause in a 140 year old law (designed to protect people) to hurt people? Perhaps you should remember all that and realize that his obligatory lip service about reigning in Fannie and Freddie don’t actually synch up with his actions.

    “That doesn’t mean I agree with the TARP decision at the end of his 2nd term, but YOUR GUY kept it going and expanded it with the so-called “stimulus”

    Again, your guy drove the economy into a ditch, and now you’re complaining about the cost of the tow truck. There’s a lot of grease that needs to be put on the wheels of this economy, and that costs money that will need to be repaid. But, rather than closing the well, which is presumably your solution, we had to invest in infrastructure, we had to create shovel ready jobs to put people back to work. Unfortunately, as John pointed out, it’s quite difficult to jam $787 billion through a hole all at once. 10% had been doled out, but apparently not fast enough, because rabid right wingers have already declared the stimulus a failure before anyone has a chance to debate that assertion. Conservatives had some input on the bill, which is both stunning and unfortunate, seeing as how 40% of it ended up being tax cuts, which does nothing to stimulate the economy in the long term, in my opinion. When all someone cares about is making a big stink about government spending, it’s hard to get them to realize that infrastructure is a great investment. New infrastructure is a one time expenditure (in addition to upkeep) that generates a lifetime of revenue, what with all the goods transported back and forth on roads and bridges. Similarly, schools are a great investment, grooming young minds to become the next cash cows for society. But God forbid higher education be free; it’s only the best way to insure the capitalist system stays in place. So, where you see spending, I see investment in a future that can benefit far more people than keeping coffers sealed shut.

    “We have been perfectly capable of calling Bush out when he did things that weren’t kosher. Do the same thing or don’t speak at all.”

    If this is your opinion of objectivity, I’m not impressed. You just defended the coup d’etat that was perpetrated on the American people in 2000, how am I supposed to take your faux criticism of him seriously at this point?

  21. “The Democrats took New Hampshire for granted, underestimated Ralph Nader, and they blame it all on Florida, Bush and The Supreme Court.”

    Nader is merely a scapegoat, he’s not the one who disenfranchised blacks. And the Supreme Court is a righteous target for ire, especially considering that when they ruled, they explicitly said that their decision could never be used as precedent, that the court would never again rule that way, and that it was a one time deal, a gift, if you will, to neocons everywhere. But you guys are right, it was a completely fair and legitimate election…

  22. “Ah, I see; it’s good enough to give the troops the best health care in the world, but far too incompetent to run a public option. Got it.”

    That is so hilarious I damn near fell out of my chair, Robert. You have obviously never been to a VA hospital. Our veterans and serving troops are horribly underserved for what they do. I have friends who are veterans who would rather use their private insurance to get healthcare these days because the VA is a pain in the ass. Did you NOT see the reports about sections of Walter Reed being completely unlivable but still being used? Wake up.

    “You just defended the coup d’etat that was perpetrated on the American people in 2000, how am I supposed to take your faux criticism of him seriously at this point?”

    And what evidence does anybody have that the election was stolen? Really, Robert? When you keep spewing that at us, you sound every bit as hysterical as the guys who keep swearing up and down that Obama isn’t an American citizen. You know what? I might not like the guy, but that claim has been put to rest more than once, and it’s ridiculous to keep harping on it. It is just as ridiculous to keep claiming that Bush stole the Presidency.

    It all ranks right up there with 9/11 conspiracy theorists. It’s all hogwash.

  23. “What’s the crock, Mel? The part about legitimacy?”

    Now see, a kook from the other side could say that a Doctor never signed the birth certificate released from Obama; therefore, denying the legitimacy. But, as you confirm what Ann Coulter said – there being one conspiracy theorist on the right for every hundred there are on the left – you can’t get past it.

    Come to think of it, liberal arguments wouldn’t survive unless there was some kind of conspiracy theory involved.

    “If you define legitimacy as the will of the people, Bush was absolutely illegitimate.”

    In what way? He went to Harvard and Yale, he was a governor, and he won the electorate. The electoral college was set up so that heavily populated states such as California would not be deciding elections for every state in the union. With that same thought, a Republican candidate on average will spend about half the time campaigning in a state like California because they already know which way that state is voting. If Bush would have campaigned more heavily in Democratic states, he still would have lost – but just might have picked up enough votes in those losing states to hand him the popular vote as well – the only factual part of the debate liberals have.

    Then, the first midterms rolled around. Thank God for historical odds because the opposition party to the White House usually picks up a hefty number of votes. Bush defied those historical odds when we actually PICKED UP seats in his first midterm.

    America was happy being protected and with their President. However; every conspiracy theory invented by liberals since day kept growing such as:

    1.) He was hungry to go to war and decided to go no matter what.
    2.) He lost the 2000 election.
    3.) He hung out at Bohemian Grove with males prostitutes.
    4.) He was racist and shot all the black people tearing up stores in New Orleans and let them float around far too long.
    5.) Anything he could have done to stop 9/11 before it actually happened would have been supported by liberals since they openly embraced every anti-terrorism policy he put in place AFTER we knew what it felt like to be hit on our own soil. So, why didn’t he do more?
    6.) Why didn’t he get into his magic Star Trek tunnel while he was in Florida reading a text book to a classroom of children and beam himself to Washington in minutes? Why should the President of the United States avoid being in the air for the first hour or two after a major hit by terrorists involving air planes anyway?
    7.) Global Warming

    It goes on and on. Sarah Palin quitting is another theory….it’s just an easier path for you to claim she quit because she was lazy or was money hungry than to defend the liberal idiocy in Alaska that made her a lame duck Governor who endured ethics complaints one right after the other.

    You also believe she banned books.
    You also believe that somehow she’s responsible for the production of meth…..a drug used by only 1.5 million Americans in a country of 35 million drug users.

    THEN, you get pissed off at me when I remind you of the legitmate questioning of Franken’s win in Minnesota. Counting ballots in his corner that had both candidates marked. Only re-counting ballots in college towns and heavily Democratic areas, and of course, finding ballots in warehouses and car trunks…..

    Robert, it’s nuts like you and people you support like Dennis Kucinich responsible for conspiracy theories.

    If you want to read every liberal argument on the 2000 election though, go here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_in_Florida,_2000#Recount_timeline

    Factually, it had been re-counted several times.

    Factually, Gore’s team wanted ONLY certain counties re-counted (as Franken did).

    Factually, liberals blamed the blacks (conveniently) for the Palm Beach butterfly ballot fiasco.

    Katherine Harris is a lame duck in this case because she’s a Republican and personally she supported Bush. If Democrats had their way; however, the recount would still be going on right now.

    What you hear out of Democrats now – much like 9/11 conspiracy theorists – are mundane small details (see the 8,000 thrown out above). Many of these details were decided on in courts, in a legal manner – just not to the satisfaction of liberals who had just lost an election.

    Bottom line: Al Gore himself conceded after he exhausted every legal option available to him. He only brought this questionable theory up when he needed publicity for his movie about global warming. But liberals still focus in on this as if they had a solid case.

    When the candidate himself gives up – it’s time for Robert to as well.

  24. “Did you NOT see the reports about sections of Walter Reed being completely unlivable but still being used? Wake up.”

    Two things on this, Mel.

    First, yes it was liberal policies that made it impossible for Government employees to be fired that resulted in the low standards at Government institutions like Walter Reed. The same type of hospital liberals want in every city in America now.

    Second, Chris Dodd was diagnosed with prostate cancer and Rush Limbaugh made a couple of good points.

    a.) Why isn’t Dodd rushing off to Canada or the UK for medical treatment? Miraculously this horrible health care system right here in the United States is good enough for him now.

    b.) Shouldn’t he get a second opinion? According to Obama, too many Doctors do silly things like take out tonsils on one diagnosis. Why should Dodd react so quickly? This could be another ploy by a greedy American M.D. to get more money out of the ill Senator.

    Sorry, just trying to learn from our President’s infinite wisdom.

    In all seriousness, I hope Dodd does recover. However; I know he’ll be doing it right here under the current system of healthcare we all have the right to.

  25. “Did you NOT see the reports about sections of Walter Reed being completely unlivable but still being used? Wake up.”

    Walter Reed is also NOT the VA. It’s run by the DoD, not the VA. You’re really comparing apples and oranges.

    “And what evidence does anybody have that the election was stolen?”

    WTF, are you kidding me? I just gave you the evidence. Thousands of voters were disenfranchised, at the behest of the Republican Secretary of State of Florida.

    “When you keep spewing that at us, you sound every bit as hysterical as the guys who keep swearing up and down that Obama isn’t an American citizen”

    I’m sorry, but that’s an outright idiotic comparison, and you know it.

    “It is just as ridiculous to keep claiming that Bush stole the Presidency.”

    Yeah, big glaring difference, which you have of course chosen to ignore, and that is that there is actual evidence to support the facts of my claim. There are none to support the birthers.

  26. “Bush defied those historical odds when we actually PICKED UP seats in his first midterm.”

    That’s clearly an anomaly because your party relied on fear mongering to pick up seats. People were scared shitless after 9/11, and the party that capitulated to terrorists somehow swindled the public into thinking they were strong on defense. That is the ONLY reason seats were picked up in 2002. I guarantee that had 9/11 never happened, the GOP would have lost seats. I’m also pretty sure you know that.

    That’s funny that every conspiracy theory you listed is not even close to being that, because there was no attempt to hide any of it. It’s all out in the open for people to see for themselves. What I find telling is that people on your side of the aisle spent eight years telling people not to believe their own eyes and ears, that there really were WMD somewhere, that it really was the same vase being stolen over and over, that it was some backhanded show of strength that the leader of the free world spent nearly ten minutes staring into space while the country was under attack and people were dying. Your party prays to God the public is truly stupid and apathetic. It’s amazing…

    “THEN, you get pissed off at me when I remind you of the legitmate [sic] questioning of Franken’s win in Minnesota. “

    Steve, if it was at all legitimate, you would have had at least one person registering a complaint of voter intimidation, vote flipping, being sent on a wild goose chase to different voting districts, etc. Not one complaint was registered. Not one person’s will was subverted. Not one. The mere fact that you can call something that is clearly baseless legitimate stymies me. And trust me when I tell you that Norm Coleman being ejected from office by the people of Minnesota doesn’t even slightly piss me off.

    “Counting ballots in his corner that had both candidates marked. Only re-counting ballots in college towns and heavily Democratic areas, and of course, finding ballots in warehouses and car trunks…..“

    None of those things ever happened. Those are conspiracy theories fabricated by the right wing, who, after two election cycles would be used to losing, but can’t seem to cope with rejection.

    “Robert, it’s nuts like you and people you support like Dennis Kucinich responsible for conspiracy theories.”

    Ha, I’m not the one who accepts the rewriting of history to suit your sycophantic desire to view Ronald Reagan as a good president…

    “Factually, liberals blamed the blacks (conveniently) for the Palm Beach butterfly ballot fiasco.”

    No, we blamed the crooks who stole the election. It was the cons who called the people of Palm Beach too stupid to vote, when damn near every person who attempted to vote for Gore ended up voting for the KKK’s candidate, Pat Buchanan.

    “If Democrats had their way; however, the recount would still be going on right now.”

    If the country had its way, the votes would have been counted in full. This question was asked by Newsweek on December 7, 2000:

    “There are about 10,000 ballots in Miami-Dade County where machine counting did not pick up any vote for president. Do you think it would be fair or unfair if these ballots are never examined by hand for indications of voters’ intentions?”

    62% of all voters said that it was unfair. This is including Bush Supporters as well as Gore supporters. A WSJ poll found that 53% of people thought that Supreme Court’s decision was based mostly on politics.

    A USA Today/Gallup Poll asked this on December 13,2000:

    “Finally, if the election for president were being held today, who would you vote for: [rotate] Al Gore or George W. Bush?”

    47% said Gore while 44% said Bush.

    ABC News/Washington Post asked a similar question the very next day:

    “Who did you personally want to become the next president: [rotate] Al Gore or George W. Bush?”

    46% Gore, 41% Bush. So yeah, if the will of the people would have been carried out, we would never had to suffer through eight years of that illiterate dolt.

    “Many of these details were decided on in courts, in a legal manner – just not to the satisfaction of liberals who had just lost an election.”

    Legal? Again, is that why the Supreme Court effectively told the nation that no court will ever rule this way ever again? Is that why they forbade the case from being used as a precedent? Legal, my ass, it was only legal in your eyes because it was to your satisfaction. Let’s leave it at this: any lawsuit that contains the phrase “continuing the counting of votes will have a harmful effect on candidate (insert name here (and remove Bush’s))” is in no way to be considered legitimate.

    “Bottom line: Al Gore himself conceded after he exhausted every legal option available to him”

    And what exactly was he supposed to do when the highest court in the land just picked our president for us? There’s nowhere to appeal that decision.

    “But liberals still focus in on this as if they had a solid case.”

    As if? Where on earth is your attention focused when so much evidence is staring you in the face? Are you just mentally picking out your outfits for the next week?

    “When the candidate himself gives up – it’s time for Robert to as well.”

    That’s funny that you give that advice about Bush, while simultaneously entertaining idiotic notions of a stolen Minnesota Senate seat weeks after Coleman finally conceded…

  27. “First, yes it was liberal policies that made it impossible for Government employees to be fired that resulted in the low standards at Government institutions like Walter Reed”

    You know, you use this hackneyed line a lot, and every time I’ve called you out on it and asked for an explanation, you ignore it. Put up or shut the fuck up. What specific policy are you talking about and which liberal put it in place?

  28. “Walter Reed is also NOT the VA. It’s run by the DoD, not the VA. You’re really comparing apples and oranges.”

    Wow…Robert, who do you think runs the VA? It’s not a private enterprise. It is THE DOD.

    “WTF, are you kidding me? I just gave you the evidence. Thousands of voters were disenfranchised, at the behest of the Republican Secretary of State of Florida.”

    What evidence? That the voters were lied to? How can you claim that people were denied the right to vote in Florida? SHOW ME THE EVIDENCE. Don’t just give me words, give me something legitimate. I know what the claims are. But as yet, not one person has been able to back it up with fact. A federal judge declared the election in Florida, and since Clinton was still in office at the time, you can’t claim that the judge was given an executive order.

    “I’m sorry, but that’s an outright idiotic comparison, and you know it.”

    No, it’s not. Since you’ve not offered a shred of verifiable evidence you can’t claim that it’s an idiotic comparison. Your guy isn’t Jesus. Get over it.

    “Yeah, big glaring difference, which you have of course chosen to ignore, and that is that there is actual evidence to support the facts of my claim. There are none to support the birthers.”

    Try again. There is no difference whatsoever. The birthers clung to the fact that Obama’s father was from Indonesia; that was all they had. There was never any evidence that I can see that his birth certificate was invalid. Just the same, as I’ve pointed out, there is no verifiable evidence that Bush stole the presidency.

  29. “That’s clearly an anomaly because your party relied on fear mongering to pick up seats.”

    Fear mongering like the kind liberals use in the case of health care? Fear mongering like the kind Obama used to refer to a recession as a “crisis” fo his first six months to only gratify his big spending appetite?

    If you’re trying to make a case of fear mongering with the Bush administration AFTER we saw what happens when you don’t take care of problems like Saddam before they get out of hand – when we had real evidence like an attack from another enemy, then please tell Gore to stop warning me that we are going to burn up in 1,000 years when the average temperature in July and August for Illinois has been about 80 degrees when it should have been about 88.

    “I guarantee that had 9/11 never happened, the GOP would have lost seats. I’m also pretty sure you know that.”

    So then you just made an ass out of yourself. Why would the government need to use “fear mongering” when something had factually happened that scared everyone? Again, look at the things Democrats have been fear mongering over and get back to me.

    “Your party prays to God the public is truly stupid and apathetic. It’s amazing…”

    As opposed to yours which only pray to Him at election time and that the media MAKE Americans stupid before they inherit the “wisdom to know the difference.”

    And they have learned, Obama’s ratings are tanking and more Americans than not do not want healthcare taken over by the Government or Government to intrude. 2010 is on its way, I smell about 30 repeals already.

    “Steve, if it was at all legitimate, you would have had at least one person registering a complaint of voter intimidation”

    No, we merely relied on the legal system to do the right thing. At the same time, Obama kept telling us that we had a “crisis” on our hands and was pushing through a trillion dollar stimulus package.

    Even though he didn’t win it fairly, I am confident that it’ll take Americans less than a year to feel the results of a liberal Congress. It will be like 1994, then Obama can claim credit for the success of the legislation sent up to him by Senator Sarah Palin, perhaps.

    “There are about 10,000 ballots in Miami-Dade County where machine counting did not pick up any vote for president. Do you think it would be fair or unfair if these ballots are never examined by hand for indications of voters’ intentions?”

    “62% of all voters said that it was unfair. This is including Bush Supporters as well as Gore supporters. A WSJ poll found that 53% of people thought that Supreme Court’s decision was based mostly on politics.”

    The Supreme Court’s decision was enough for Al Gore to know it was time to concede after 90,000 recounts. And the alleged ballots were not even known to be actual punched ballots or not, some were blank, some were torn, and some were duplicated and placed behind real ones. Can you imagine, Bush could have won Florida by 1,000 instead of 500?

    “47% said Gore while 44% said Bush.”

    Did USA Today mention the margin of error?

    “Legal, my ass, it was only legal in your eyes because it was to your satisfaction.”

    And to the satisfaction of Al Gore WHO CONCEDED!

    “And what exactly was he supposed to do when the highest court in the land just picked our president for us?”

    Waited to read your post proclaiming that the Supreme Court themselves said that they would never decide that way again – which can easily be portrayed is ‘they made the wrong decision’ (your version) instead of ‘next time, we’ll wear Thom McCann’s while deciding.’ The Supreme Court was referring to very tiny details about different areas of protocol. They did not admit that the decision was wrong, so stop extremely exaggerating what they said.

    “Where on earth is your attention focused when so much evidence is staring you in the face?”

    Conspiracy theories and “what ifs” do not equal “evidence.” This wouldn’t get past Judge Judy.

    “That’s funny that you give that advice about Bush, while simultaneously entertaining idiotic notions of a stolen Minnesota Senate seat weeks after Coleman finally conceded”

    I bring it up to remind you – as I said, once Americans get one year, no recounts will be necessary.

    It’s interesting though the Franken gets more laughs from his Senate seat than he did as a comedian.

  30. “You know, you use this hackneyed line a lot, and every time I’ve called you out on it and asked for an explanation, you ignore it.”

    Go to a food stamp office or your local county hospital. These positions are not filled by equal opportunity and for good reason. Because none of them would last in the “for profit” world.

    Liberals focus on “how much more can they employee get “versus “how much more can the employee do to earn their keep.”

    Tell us old employed one, how many breaks are you entitled to in one day?

  31. “Wow…Robert, who do you think runs the VA? It’s not a private enterprise. It is THE DOD.”

    No, it isn’t, it’s run by the Department of Veteran Affairs, not the Department of Defense. They’re two separate systems.

    “How can you claim that people were denied the right to vote in Florida?”

    Am I going insane, or are you completely ignoring facts here? It’s already been established through Senate testimony (as well as common sense) that the state of Florida ordered what it knew to be an inaccurate list of felons to be scrubbed from voter rolls. I mean, what exactly do you need, every single person affected by this to email you their stories? Thousands of people (58,000 to be exact) were denied the right to vote because they were listed as felons, a majority of those people African American, and an almost unanimous majority of them voted democratic.

    “I know what the claims are. But as yet, not one person has been able to back it up with fact.”

    So, the company responsible for assembling the list admitting that it was rife with errors isn’t enough proof for you? The fact that a county elections supervisor’s name showed up on said erroneous list means nothing? I have a feeling that even sworn affidavits from the Secretary of State’s office copping to this disgusting subversion of democracy wouldn’t convince you. This is clearly a GOP tactic that goes back many years. Just listen to Paul Weyrich, co founder of the Heritage Foundation, tell it:

    “Since you’ve not offered a shred of verifiable evidence you can’t claim that it’s an idiotic comparison”

    I’m just completely stupefied. I guess have fun ignoring reality and denying the existence of anything that makes your party look bad. I don’t know how else to spell it out for you. I mean, if reality can’t change your mind, then I’ve got no shot…

    “Your guy isn’t Jesus. Get over it.”

    I never claimed he was. You like to paint me as some Obama worshipper, even when it’s clear that I don’t fall all over myself to praise him. If merely pointing out that he’s got a huge mess to clean up left by the last guy, or that he can speak in complete sentences, and won an election fair and square means worshipping to you, I shudder to think of an adjective for how you saw Bush.

    “Just the same, as I’ve pointed out, there is no verifiable evidence that Bush stole the presidency.”

    That much is true. I shy away from accusing the president of stealing the election because you’re right, there is no evidence linking him to that. The Republican Party of Florida and the Secretary of State did the stealing, Bush was merely the benefactor to that theft.

  32. “That much is true. I shy away from accusing the president of stealing the election because you’re right, there is no evidence linking him to that. The Republican Party of Florida and the Secretary of State did the stealing, Bush was merely the benefactor to that theft.”

    Nobody stole it. The recounts didn’t work in his favor. Harris didn’t cheat, and the Supreme Court acted lawfully.

    It’s over. More than eight years has passed, let’s move on.

    Something I am sure even you can agree with.

  33. “Fear mongering like the kind liberals use in the case of health care”

    Yeah, because it’s completely untrue that health care premiums continue to go up year after year. It’s a pure fabrication that half of all bankruptcies are a direct result of medical expenses. It’s simply hogwash that insurance companied let people die on a regular basis to line their own pockets. Yup, fear mongering…

    “Fear mongering like the kind Obama used to refer to a recession as a “crisis” fo his first six months to only gratify his big spending appetite?”

    Yeah, just like that. Spending appetite? Are you serious? The only appetite he has is to fix the clusterfuck that your guy left behind. And I’ll ask again, where was this concern for spending when Bush was in office? Bailouts aside, there was still an additional five trillion dollars that moron spent on two things and two things only: tax cuts and war. We’ll never see a dime of that again. There’s no investment in that. When you build a school or a road or bridge, that’s an investment that you’ll see a return on. When you dump all kinds of money into building bombs, it’s gone as soon as it hits its target. All that money scattered across fields of sand. That’s a great use of tax payer dollars, no?

    “If you’re trying to make a case of fear mongering with the Bush administration AFTER we saw what happens when you don’t take care of problems like Saddam before they get out of hand “

    Oh here we go, neocon tactic number 73: conflate 9/11 with Iraq as much as possible, so as to make our incompetent 43rd president seem justified in his actions. You’re pathetic.

    “So then you just made an ass out of yourself. Why would the government need to use “fear mongering” when something had factually happened that scared everyone?”

    Yeah, Steve, I made an ass of myself. They were using the public’s fear of an impending attack for political advantage. People actually thought Bush would keep them safe, nevermind he failed to do so in the first place, when it would have actually meant something. He couldn’t protect the country when he had numerous warnings of planes flying into buildings, and he couldn’t protect the country from being assaulted by “rogue scientists” with Anthrax. The myth that you continue to perpetuate that “he kept us safe for seven years” is laughable. Every action he took, including his venture into Baghdad, merely served to weaken what little safety we had. Do you honestly think killing innocent Iraqis is going to make people hate us less? What happened to changing hearts and minds? I guess that flew out the window when we started liberating people’s lives from their bodies…

    “Again, look at the things Democrats have been fear mongering over and get back to me.”

    Tommy Ridge and orange alerts. Enough said.

    “As opposed to yours which only pray to Him at election time and that the media MAKE Americans stupid”

    You really need to stop blaming the media for your party’s failures. It’s not the media that’s making Americans stupid, it’s you. You’re pretty much saying that they weren’t smart enough to come to their own conclusions about what reality was telling them, and that the media had to coax them into the realization that George Bush was a moron.

    “more Americans than not do not want healthcare taken over by the Government or Government to intrude”

    That’s not what the polls say. People understand that the insurance companies have operated with impunity for the last 30 years, that they make their living denying people care that they so desperately need. People favor the government stepping in and making it affordable and accessible. Only right wing idiots who think their insurance is fabulous (until they actually need to use it) are opposed to reform. It’s bullshit, and you are merely defending the status quo. You are, in essence, saying that you don’t care how many more people die because they don’t have access to health care. 9 out of 10 doctors will tell you that their biggest hassle is having to go through and deal with insurance companies. That is the fucking barrier between doctor and patient, not some government bureaucrat. It’s all a game to the right wing politicians, its why not one single one of those scumbags is willing to turn off the spigot that is health insurance contribution dollars. It’s sick, and it will stop, with or without you obstructionists. Even if by reconciliation. Steamroll, bitches!

    “Obama kept telling us that we had a “crisis” on our hands and was pushing through a trillion dollar stimulus package.”

    If you don’t think that it was/is a crisis, then you’re as big a fool as the man you voted for (but didn’t think was a real republican).

    “It will be like 1994, then Obama can claim credit for the success of the legislation sent up to him by Senator Sarah Palin, perhaps.”

    Ha, that’s precious. Maybe then, she can “get in there” with Vice President Biden and help him create policy.

    “The Supreme Court’s decision was enough for Al Gore to know it was time to concede after 90,000 recounts”

    The Supreme Court’s decision was final, Steve. There is no higher court to appeal to.

    “And the alleged ballots were not even known to be actual punched ballots or not, some were blank, some were torn, and some were duplicated and placed behind real ones”

    Right, and the only way to determine that is by manual hand recounts and examinations, which is what Bush was fighting to stop. Apparently he wasn’t too confident in the voters.

    “Did USA Today mention the margin of error?”

    633 adults nationwide (MoE ± 4), including 302 who said they would vote for Gore if the election were today (MoE ± 6), and 278 who said they would vote for Bush if the election were today (MoE ± 6).

    “And to the satisfaction of Al Gore WHO CONCEDED!”

    Satisfaction? That’s what you took from “although I strongly disagree with the court’s decision, I accept it”?

    “They did not admit that the decision was wrong, so stop extremely exaggerating what they said.”

    They didn’t have to, the mere fact that the case is barred from being used as precedent and that no court will ever rule that way again says it all. It’s no exaggeration, do your own research.

    “Conspiracy theories and “what ifs” do not equal “evidence.””

    There is no what if, this actually happened. Why is that so hard for you people to understand? There is no conspiracy theory, the company that the state of Florida used to generate its scrub list admitted, in Senate testimony, under oath, that this actually literally happened. The fact that you refuse to accept it in favor of labeling it a conspiracy theory is quite telling of your sycophantic nature.

  34. “Go to a food stamp office or your local county hospital. These positions are not filled by equal opportunity and for good reason. Because none of them would last in the “for profit” world.”

    So, now that we’re clear on what put up or shut up means, I assume you’ll finally do the latter, seeing as how you’ve failed yet again to give me anything concrete to support your baseless assertions.

    “Tell us old employed one, how many breaks are you entitled to in one day?”

    I suppose as many as I wanted (although I take none), considering everyone in that office is a slacker. And before you leap at the chance to label them as liberals, I should tell you that they’re all conservatives (with the exception of Christian, he’s apolitical). Except, according to them, they’re real conservatives (they’re Ron Paul folks), and you are, in their words, a neocon…

  35. Obama will help you buy a new car. You might get $3,500 to $4,500 for your trade in even if your trade in is worth scrap.

    No means testing. Even wealthy people can do it. So, even you have the means to buy your own new car for whatever deal you can negotiate, Obama will still kick in some cash.

    If this is not socialism, then what is?

    So this “popular government program” ran out of cash in less than a week. Now they want another $2 billion. If that lasts as long as the first billion, then it will run out in two weeks. Then what? I guess we stop when every person who wants a new car gets one?

    Can you hear your wallet screaming? No? You can’t? Well go get your hearing checked because you must be borderline deaf.

    Now I am not totally 100 percent against Cash for Clunkers. I’d change some things. If your clunker is worth $1,000 then the government will match that dollar for dollar not to exceed $4,500 in total.

    If you have the means to buy your own car, then you don’t get a government match. You don’t need it.

    $11 trillion in debt my friends. We can’t afford this.

  36. “Now I am not totally 100 percent against Cash for Clunkers. I’d change some things. If your clunker is worth $1,000 then the government will match that dollar for dollar not to exceed $4,500 in total-John CA”
    I’m not totally against it though I would have preferred it aimed at domestic manufacturers (I know, not fair but we taxpayers seem to own a lot of them we may as well help them out more?). Problem is I have a 97 Ranger, 170K miles that really needs replacing. Can I afford a new vehicle, even with $3500-$4500 off? Probably not but with what I need, a Smart Car is not going to cut it. I would love to get better gas mileage but I also need to haul things most days and where I live getting home with 4WD can be challenge, much less without. I wish it had been opened up to used cars too. Plus, many of the “clunkers” can be perfectly serviceable used cars so why junk them (to create a larger “carbon footprint” when manufacturing a new Prius?). I will likely have to make this last as long as I can until I can afford another used truck. I just figure if this money is already my (being a tax payer and all) money, why not just give every actual tax payer (that is “one who pays taxes” which not everyone does) a bag of tax free money, like $50K. I’d pay off my debts and buy a new truck. Or people could pay down mortgages. I know, the stimulus isn’t meant to help the little people but we are the ones paying for it.
    AndyB, NH.

  37. “I’m not totally against it though I would have preferred it aimed at domestic manufacturers (I know, not fair but we taxpayers seem to own a lot of them we may as well help them out more?). ”

    Honda builds cars in America. Why not allow those cars in the program? Other foreign automakers manufacture cars here. You said domestic producers not American auto companies. There is a difference. I have no problem with Honda autos getting in as long as they are built here.

    As for giving every person $50K, bad idea. Easy money leads to quick inflation.

  38. Thanks Mel!
    John, aren’t we on the path of inflation anyway, just slower? Besides, it was sort of tongue in cheek. I remember when Bank of America got a tonne of guv’mint money and I thought “That means the taxpayers own BoA, maybe I don’t have to pay my bill this month?” Sadly, it was not true (and I will admit that all the debt I have incurred is my own fault, thru impulsive purchases that I didn’t need, but when I get depressed I do that. Sorry, working on it.).
    I do wonder if the country would have been better off if there had been no bailout. Businesses would have failed. Jobs would have been lost and people would have lost homes. It happens daily, even in a good economy but people manage to persevere. Packard, Studebaker and others were good sized companies that failed. People moved on and changed. Not everyone succeeded but I don’t see that should be guaranteed. I would love to have a wealthy benefactor take care of all my problems and if by some crazy chance that happens I won’t pass it up. But I will try not to get into this mess again even when that doesn’t happen. I guess the easiest answer is often the wrong one. Dunno.
    Oh, I was thinking of Ford, GM and Chrysler because if we are supposed to be helping our own industries, we may as well be less transparent and more direct. Honestly, I’d like a Toyota Tacoma because of it’s long reliability and because it retains it’s value. But I could live with a cheaper Ford Ranger (and do).
    Thanks, AndyB, NH.

  39. “I do wonder if the country would have been better off if there had been no bailout. Businesses would have failed. Jobs would have been lost and people would have lost homes. It happens daily, even in a good economy but people manage to persevere. ”

    That is a good question. Such a massive collapse all at once of many large banks can’t be good for any nation. A massive number of people losing their homes can’t be good either.
    Having too many things happen all at the same time is not good. Having just one of these thing happen is not good.

    I dislike the concept of bailouts. They should be a last resort measure.

  40. John,
    Good point. But I wonder if they all would have collapsed in short order. One company going down and losing value will get bought up by someone else, split, trimmed whatever and maybe others would have benefitted. I don’t know. It’s impossible to make a computer model or mathematical formula that will predict everything (despite all the cool math on Numb3rs!).
    You are correct that they should be the last resort. People forget that companies like Chrysler came out of bankruptcy before and on a local level, Public Service of NH (the SOBs that charge me more for a “delivery fee” than my monthly electricity use. And the Seabrook nuclear power plant).
    All we can do is keep working, AndyB, NH.

  41. We need a change. These preenst numb skulls including Diane Watts are just too comfortable and have begun to care corporate and lining their pockets. While they go laughing to the bank end of each pay cheque they make us tighten our pockets and levy further taxes. The Trans-link forceful levy and the 2 cent gas tax is a joke.While we pay these jokers in office burden us with their transport expenses.The long timers warming our city hall chairs are too complacent and have become as dumb as the City Hall door knob. Linda, Marvin,Barbara, Mary,Tom and Barinder have become totally useless to our needs.They seem to have the media support on front pages to etch onto peoples minds to influence voters votes. The community papers The Now and The Leader are also culprits to influence results.Hope to see the change and have new Candidates as Stephanie and Paul Hillsdon and younger blood.Cheers and good luck.

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