No Scape-goating Allowed!

I say we honor liberals today by supporting abortion.

However, instead of aborting unborn fetuses, would it be possible to abort the insane political correctness that gets Americans killed?

The bodies of 13 young soldiers were still close to living-body temperature last night, when this Muslim activist went on television to discuss his concern for unfair scape-goating against Muslim Americans. 

He does manage to thank the American media for working with them to avoid making Muslims look bad. 

He also opened the segment up in a very politcally correct way by offering condolences to the families of these fallen soldiers.

As I drove home last night, and as the details of Nidal Malik Hasan and his radicalist views on America’s war policies started to unfold, I began to cry.  The local newscasters here on WLS (the biggie here in the midwest for news) were speaking very quietly and carefully to not “jump to conclusions” as the President himself today begged us all not to do.

I am scared as hell.  I am so angry I want to scream at this man in the above video for coming on television to make a statement about his fears about his fellow Muslims here in America.

He claims that already Mosques in America were being threatened.  He claims that some in the blogosphere and certain talk show hosts were already hate-mongering but again reminds us that most of the American media have been responsible by trying to “tone down any anti-Muslim rhetoric.”

My anger at the Muslim community today rises out of their inability to be the ones who take the fall for this extremism within their own community.  But right here in America, and over in the Middle East, and for the past 30 years, we have had to watch multiple groups of Americans and non-Muslims to be the ones required to pay the price for this extremism while men like this go on television to foam at the mouth about political correctness.

The audacity he has to express concern of alleged threatened Mosques in this country – or to whine about anything that anybody may be saying in the blogosphere is disgusting.

Think of 13 Americans – among the best and brightest this country has to offer.  They woke up yesterday as I did, as all of you did – feeling safe.  They had plans for the weekend.  Like us, they began making plans for Thanksgiving and moving ahead to begin filling out Christmas lists for loving family members they hardly got to see at all.  They had lives, they had plans, they had friends, they had love, and they had courage.

Mr. Al-Marayati, keep your empty condolences.  I do not forgive you for coming on television just hours after the people who make this country wonderful for you to live in were slaughtered by an extremist of your persuasion.  The idea that you chose, in that moment, to victimize the entire Muslim community by proclaiming some form of brewing hatred against you is sickening.

In our country, sir, you have the right to say that.

How many Mosques in America were destroyed after 9/11?

How many Muslims in America have been killed by Christians in retaliation to 9/11?

How many Mosques were bombed after the Muslim man ran over his “Americanized” daughter recently?

How many Americans have been tortured, killed, or held hostage by Muslims in the last 30 years?

So, with all respect, it’s about time for Americans to shift their focus before only a few of us are left standing and it’s too late.  This is homegrown terrorism. 

Something must be done NOW to stop it.  No more political correctness, no more excuses, no more phony concerns for what Christians and Americans are going to do to the Muslim community.

They have declared war on our soil, yet again, and if we leave it up to the media and the President to recognize it and to take it seriously, more Americans will die and be sacrificed.

The question is, when will that realization materialize in more minds than my own?

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40 thoughts on “No Scape-goating Allowed!

  1. Oh, they’re blaming something/someone. They’re blaming PTSD. In effect, they’re blaming soldiers – the very soldiers who were the victims of this monster.

    This disgusting waste of humanity never even deployed! Supposedly he had PTSD because he was around people with PTSD and “heard their stories.”

    I can’t begin how to tell you how revolted and disgusted I am.

    They don’t want to admit this person’s religion, because they don’t want to “stigmatize” anyone. And so they stigmatize the people who are out there fighting – willing to give their lives for the idea that someone else can live free.

    I’m revolted. I’m livid. And so many Americans seem to fall for this line. And let me just add that I simply adored the President’s remarks yesterday, when he laughed and joked and gave a “shout out” to someone in the audience before moving on to talk about Ft. Hood. Yeah. I adored it. //sarc

    My milspouse friends and I spent hours yesterday on the computer and texting each other, checking on people we knew in the area. The laugh and shout out were not appreciated.

    Thank you, Steve. Seriously. Thank you for what you wrote.

  2. Also, I don’t think we can reiterate this enough.

    PTSD is not H1N1. It doesn’t hang out in the walls around veterans like asbestos. You can’t “catch” it from being around people who have it.

    We need to keep repeating that. We can’t let them make that “the truth” the way they have with so many other things.

  3. You’re so right and AFW frankly I was looking to get your perspective.

    The radio show in Chicago almost tempted me to call them today because it is already starting –

    “oh, we cannot broadbrush the entire Muslim community in America, that’s crazy!”

    You know what’s crazy? Is allowing guys like this in the interview I have above and people in the media to say politically correct things under the guise of “we are trying to protect innocent Muslim Americans from being disparaged!”

    Think about that for a second — by doing that, they are doing everything they can to make sure that we as Americans don’t disparage all the Muslims, but they simultaneously give their benefit of the doubt to someone out there who is Muslim who just might be planning this next attack against Americans.

    That strategy and method is not working. We tried being pure and nice to Muslims….but it is not innocent Muslims who are dying, it is innocent Christian-Americans that fall under these attacks, and as I said before, it will take only a few left standing before they get it – that is if we allow this message of phony concern continue.

    The fact is, not one American-Muslim was killed by one American-Christian after 9/11, after yesterday, after the little girl was ran over by her Muslim-American father a couple days ago.

    It is time to switch our focus!

  4. It’s hard for me to express just how disappointed I am in you for choosing to go down this road, Steve. I suppose it shouldn’t surprise me, but when it comes to soldiers being killed by their own, I would think that might be the water’s edge for things to politicize. This was a horrible tragedy, and that’s saying enough for now. The fact of the matter is, you don’t know what this obviously deranged man was thinking, none of us do. Everyone’s so quick to rush to judgment based on the guy’s background and religion. There’s nothing wrong with letting the facts come in before we embark on yet another crusade. God forbid that this web log be at the tail end of posting about a hot topic.

  5. “And let me just add that I simply adored the President’s remarks yesterday, when he laughed and joked and gave a “shout out” to someone in the audience before moving on to talk about Ft. Hood. Yeah. I adored it”

    I just knew some conservative would bitch about that. I heard the press conference on the radio, and I thought to myself: someone who already hates the President is going to find a silly reason to be up in arms because the first words out of his mouth weren’t “get the Muslims”…

  6. Steve, I know I’m pretty new around here, but I just want to say that if you need anything in this difficult time, what with Robert being inexpressibly disappointed in you, all you have to do is ask. Hot casserole, shoulder to cry on, hummer, whatever.

    And remember, as Annie said, the sun’ll come out tomorrow.

  7. “I just knew some conservative would bitch about that.”

    Robert, her husband has been deployed on numerous occasions. AFW has a genuine perspective here. She has children, and a family, and more times than not, she lays awake at night praying for her husband to be safe.

    “It’s hard for me to express just how disappointed I am in you for choosing to go down this road, Steve.”

    What road is that? “Obvious highway” “Beyond a shadow of a doubt Lane” “No Doubt Interstate.”

    Why don’t you counter that with something substantial instead? I asked direct questions here: How many American mosques were attacked by American-Christians after 9/11? How many Muslims have been attacked and beaten – let alone killed – by American-Christians in the last nine years?

    NONE.

    We watched 9/11; a “soldier” going crazy, shouting Allah Akbar, and spraying bullets into 40 soldiers, a man running his daughter over because she was Americanized….

    You think it cannot happen to you or me? Have you stopped for five minutes to consider that fact, Robert? NO, BECAUSE YOU ARE TOO BUSY MAKING SURE THAT FIRST AND FOREMOST, WE ARE POLITICALLY CORRECT and of course, we cannot offend any “good Muslims.”

    Well Robert, judging by the things this guy’s neighbors and family have said, he was one of those good Muslims that we did no substantial harm to after 9/11 or any other time.

    Did that stop him from attempting to kill 40 people and successfully pulling it off with 13 of them while the remaining lay in a hospital clinging onto their life?

    In the past, you always believed I was trying to stir you up when I told you that you always gave your benefit of the doubt to the enemy while you trashed your own people here at home.

    Here you are again, throwing in with the MSM and allowing the Americans to have negative doubts cast upon them as this gentleman did by expressing concern of possible “anti-Muslim” rhetoric.

    Stop giving these people the benefit of the doubt. Next time, it could be you or someone you love. No American-Christian EVER in this country has had it in their hearts to kill someone just because they were Muslim.

    They have had all this time since 9/11 and they have proven it to you. To stand by while the media and idiots like this guy continue to say such politically correct nonsense is shameful because believe it or not, Robert, and whether or not you will admit it – this time around, you and I ARE on the same side.

    For once, I beg of you to act like it.

  8. “[The Muslim activist] claims that some in the blogosphere and certain talk show hosts were already hate-mongering”

    And when he spoke about hate-mongering, mind you, he was solely concerned with anti-“Muslimandarab” hatred. Anti-kafr hate speech and conspiracy-theorizing coming from HIS community, and directed outward, and influencing people like Nidal Malik Hasan — well, that just doesn’t happen.

  9. “Why don’t you counter that with something substantial instead. I asked direct questions here. How many American mosques were attacked by American-Christians after 9/11? How many Muslims have been attacked and beaten – let alone killed – by American-Christians in the last nine years?”

    If I’m expressing disappointment at you for going down that road, why would I respond by engaging in the same thing? I just think that kind words and prayers for the families of the dead would have sufficed. There is absolutely no need to politicize this. At the very least wait until you know why this person did what he did.

    “You think it cannot happen to you or me? Have you stopped for five minutes to consider that fact, Robert? NO, BECAUSE YOU ARE TOO BUSY MAKING SURE THAT FIRST AND FOREMOST, WE ARE POLITICALLY CORRECT and of course, we cannot offend any “good Muslims.”

    Why are you creating opinions for me? I never once stated my opinion on the man’s motives or his background; and that is my point. You’ve taken it upon yourself to assign my point of view to me and all at once taken a horrible tragedy and used it as an excuse to launch into an ideological tirade against an entire religion. If you want my honest opinion, I don’t give one goddamn whit about offending fundamentalist Muslims. In my opinion, they’re the worst that religious fundamentalism has to offer. There, are you satisfied now? You’ve successfully goaded me into saying something that didn’t need to be said, especially in a situation like this.

    “Here you are again, throwing in with the MSM and allowing the American to have negative doubts cast upon them as this gentleman did by expressing concern of possible “anti-Muslim” rhetoric.”

    Again, I said nothing of the sort, and all you’re doing is trying to provoke an unnecessary argument. Sorry to disappoint, but I’m not going to come down to that level. Not on this subject.

    “this time around, you and I ARE on the same side.”

    Which is why there’s no reason to fight. the sooner you realize that, the better.

  10. The “good Muslims” are the ones we should fear, because they’re the dangerous ones. They’re the ones who, like the militants in Hamas and Hezbollah, take jihad very seriously and are adept at using Taqqiya to cover their tracks.

    Steve, you echo my sentiment perfectly. There are more than just rumors, there are substantiated facts that the shooter was a devout Muslim and he had more than once made statements to fellow soldiers about his support for Muslim militants who blow themselves up in an effort to kill infidels (he called us “enemy soldiers”). Apparently he believed that all suicide bombers were justified in their actions because of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    AFW, I’m right there with you. I wanted to fucking puke when I heard the claims that he had PTSD from merely treating combat-hardened troops who had the disorder. Anybody making that claim must have gotten their information from a Cracker Jacks box, because I have only taken four psych classes in college and I know more about it than they do.

    The guns he used were non-military and bought from a gun shop in Killeen. You cannot convince me at this point that he wasn’t planning this. He did it in the name of jihad, and we’ve been saying for a long time that something like this would happen. This is only the beginning. If we don’t wake up right now to the reality of jihad in America, many more will die in our fight to be “tolerant.”

    Oh, but don’t tolerate those conservatives, Robert. After all, we’re just bitching, right? I mean, we wouldn’t have a valid reason for feeling the way AFW does, like, maybe, supporting a loved one in the military.

    Obama’s speech pissed me off, too. Rush was right. His appearance at Dover to salute fallen troops was a photo op. What more could we expect from the first President ever to snub the Medal of Honor recipients’ ball since its inception?

  11. Off-topic: Did anyone see this Wednesday’s episode of South Park, in which they changed the definition of “fag(got)” to mean “a douchebag who rides an annoyingly and unnecessarily loud Harley”?

    It worked on several levels — not only as a literal criticism of obnoxious motorcylists, but also as a metaphor about (ahem) certain other obnoxious subcultures: the Harley riders are described as “attention whores who parade noisily down the street in weird costumes” (ahem, ahem). And it made me think of Airforcewife, because I once went with her to watch the “Rolling Thunder” cavalcade o’ Harleys in D.C.

    But anyway, GLAAD predictably issued a press release denouncing the episode for using the word “fag(got)” about 150 times.

  12. Robert, I wasn’t politicizing in this post. This isn’t an argument for left or right. Yes, my opening statement poked a little fun at liberals for abortion, you and I have been conversing long enough for you to know when I am perhaps being a smartass….as if you haven’t done that.

    I always knew we were on the same page when it came to Muslim Fundamentalists. My problem is with two sets of folks: 1.) The Media and 2.) the alleged nice Muslims living in America.

    1.) The media (and in tonight’s case, I am going to give CNN a leg up and bash Fox News – call it an attempt to meet you half way here). Anderson Cooper tonight had an investigator follow people on street corners of New York and other cities screaming Muslim rhetoric and passing out flyers. The investigation led to interviews with these people saying they would never shed a tear if Obama were assassinated. They want Israel wiped off the map….and now it is coming out that this Hasan was on some of these websites as well. On Fox, you have Geraldo…..”I feel sorry for the 4M Muslims in this country” because they are going to look bad now and have folks like Steve Flesher looking down and disparaging them as they have been since 9/11.

    The bodies from yesterday are not even luke warm yet. Americans and Christians have proven beyond a shadow of the doubt that they can be frustrated without killing other Muslims that live here.

    On the other hand, Hasan could have easily been recognized as one of those “peaceful Muslims” – among the 4M living in this country that was disparaged against because of the extreme ones on 9/11.

    Robert, it goes without saying that all Muslims are not terrorists. That’s something we already knew. Then it’s been pounded into our head since 9/11.

    So why is the media (with the exception of CNN tonight) showing their first concern tonight with the 4M good Muslims in America while about 296M – the majority Christian – in this country still remain at large and at possible risk?

    That focus shows no sign of turning around and I am sorry you feel that’s the wrong road to go down, but the facts are indisputable here.

  13. From a friend on FaceBook (“AfroCity,” in case anyone knows her), this delicious faux-headline:

    President Obama said that the female officer at Ft Hood “acted stupidly” in shooting Nidal Malik Hasan.

    And here’s a more serious reaction by “AfroCity” to the shootings — she had actually lived near Ft. Hood during the first Gulf War, and she talks about her personal attachment to the military community there.

  14. I just knew some conservative would bitch about that. I heard the press conference on the radio, and I thought to myself: someone who already hates the President is going to find a silly reason to be up in arms because the first words out of his mouth weren’t “get the Muslims”…

    I’m flabbergasted, Robert. You HEARD the press conference live. You NOTICED the inappropriate nature of the joking and shout out AS PEOPLE WERE DYING AND BEING MEDIVAC’D, and your thought wasn’t, “Gee Mr. President, perhaps that was some bad judgment on your part.” Your thought was that some conservative would be upset.

    That’s not a liberal or conservative issue, Robert. That’s being a political shill.

    And it has nothing to do with the President screaming “Get Muslims!” and everything to do with the fact that he appeared to be dancing the cha cha next to their not-yet-dug graves.

    The President has no business commenting on motivations (see also: Beer Summit). The President does have a duty to compose himself properly, even if the military is not so important to him personally that he has the ability to laugh and joke while they are dying in terrorist attacks.

    You know what I was doing right then, Robert? I was emailing and texting and calling my fellow spouses. We were checking on people we knew in the area. We were updating ourselves on the Soldier’s Angels site (because most of us volunteer with them) to see where we would be needed and what we could do. We were reassuring our children, who were worried about their friends and family.

    What we were NOT doing was asking people, “Are you a Democrat?” “Who did you vote for?” before seeing if they needed help or calling to check on them, or barely holding down vomit in fear for them.

    No, that’s what YOU were doing, apparently.

  15. “The President has no business commenting on motivations (see also: Beer Summit). The President does have a duty to compose himself properly, even if the military is not so important to him personally that he has the ability to laugh and joke while they are dying in terrorist attacks.”

    You may not be aware of this, but that press conference was not called to discuss what happened at Fort Hood. It was already scheduled for weeks to discuss native American issues and how their community and the Administration could enjoy a mutually beneficial relationship. I fail to see how the President going into detail about what happened there thirty seconds earlier would have changed the outcome of what happened. And for the record, he gave the press conference the day after the shooting, so no one was dying while he was standing there, unlike the previous president who enjoys a robust defense on this very blog for sitting in a classroom full of second graders reading a story about a girl and her goat while people actually were dying in a real terrorist attack.

    So while conservatives see this giant issue with a Democratic president making comments to the people he was scheduled to address before getting into heavy and depressing issues, they take absolutely no umbrage at a Republican one staring into space for nearly ten minutes while the entire country is under attack.

    So, apparently you were concerned with who was a Democrat after all.

    P.S. I should also point out the ignorance behind your assertion about the president not caring about the military. He cares so little in fact, that he doesn’t rush to snap decisions without weighing consequences. He cares so little, that he actually bothers to attend the funerals of the brave fallen in the middle of the night. But what do I know, it was just a photo op; never mind the fact that he came and left without making a statement. Yup, that bastard doesn’t give two shits about the military. I swear it’s like bizarro world in here…

  16. The President didn’t attend any funerals. He attended a homecoming to Dover. And he made damn sure someone got a picture of it. He even took the White House Press corps. Do you know the name of the person in the casket that was “fuzzed out” so that the focus of the picture in the paper was the President and not the person who had given their life? It was SGT Dale Griffin, just so you don’t have to google it.

    I live this life, Robert. You don’t. You have NO IDEA what you are talking about, and no idea what is going on. It doesn’t take someone who has been in the military to understand – it takes someone willing to listen. You are not. What the President did wasn’t to honor anyone – it was to make the front page of the paper at a time when he is rightfully being accused of waffling. My husband is there RIGHT NOW. People are dying because they don’t have what they need and because they are not allowed to do what they need to do. The President had the information he needed in August – that’s MONTHS to mull it over. At what point does it stop being “not rushing to a decision” and become, “Procrastination”?

    Go ahead, continue to talk about how much you hate George Bush. “That,” to quote Michelle Obama, “Doesn’t help my children,” right now. My children, who see their Dad six months out of a year when they’re lucky, and not at all if it’s a deployment year. What do you think their reaction was seeing the President chuckling as they were frantic for friends at Ft Hood?

    Only a shill with an overriding belief in President Obama above anything else would be unable to miss the fact that the military is less than a priority for this president.

    And cut your bitching about “conservatives”. I voted for Bill Clinton and Al Gore. My grandfather had lunch with Robert Kennedy the day before Kennedy died. My father marched with Cesar Chavez. I spent the nineties working statistics and polls in Democrat politics. I think DADT needs to fall and I’m part of a group that is working towards that end in a responsible fashion. The last thing I have trouble establishing is my “liberal” bona fides. That doesn’t mean I check my common sense at the door.

    Here’s a lightening strike for you – President Obama isn’t always right. Everyone has priorities and he has chosen a different one than the military – it is his prerogative, just own it. As should he.

    And it wasn’t the fact that he chose to talk about something else as the shootings were being sorted out – it was the “shout out” and the chuckling. Really? You can’t get that might be inappropriate? Because even the NBC affiliate in Chicago pointed that out.

    Go on, Robert, I”m sure nothing anyone says will make the slightest impression on you. President Obama is perfect. His reactions were right on target and anyone who DARES to question him must be a racist. They couldn’t possibly have a reason for doing so – other than being racist or stupid.

    Whatever.

  17. “a douchebag who rides an annoyingly and unnecessarily loud Harley”

    Hey–I resemble that remark! 😉

    I have to say that Harleys and other cruisers are usually loud so that on the street, they’ll get the attention of the folks driving cages. Why? Most of the people driving cages aren’t looking out for motorcycles. We figure if you can hear us, you’ll HAVE to look for us.

    Yes, I’ve had to kick a few doors of cage-drivers to get their attention and keep them from hovering right next to me or sideswiping me. I do miss my hog. :_(

  18. Robert, sometimes you can be a nice guy. Others you’re a jackass, and you really piss me off.

    “You may not be aware of this, but that press conference was not called to discuss what happened at Fort Hood.”

    So the hell what? I find it absolutely hysterical that you can say that in one breath and in the next disparage the guy who was in a classroom on 9/11 as a complete, aimless moron (of course, I’m also talking to a man who defends Obama’s intelligence because of his Harvard degree but still calls Bush a dolt despite his degrees from both Harvard and Yale). What would have been tasteful for Bush would have been to calmly tell the kids, “I’m sorry, but something has happened and I’ve got to go, but I promise I’ll come back,” and leave promptly. I’ve not defended what he did. But if you’re going to lash out at that again, don’t you dare defend your guy. He was totally, completely, 100% wrong and everyone with a heart knows it.

    “So, apparently you were concerned with who was a Democrat after all.”

    No, we weren’t. If his response had been a tasteful one, we wouldn’t be having this discussion.

    “He cares so little, that he actually bothers to attend the funerals of the brave fallen in the middle of the night. But what do I know, it was just a photo op; never mind the fact that he came and left without making a statement.”

    I feel the need to reiterate what AFW has said: it wasn’t a funeral, it was merely the homecoming. And he took the press corps with him to make sure it was captured on film for history’s sake.

    Yeah, I’m sure he cares about the military. He cares so much he hasn’t spent one hour with soldiers or their families, something Bush did on a regular basis. There are plenty of things I got mad at Bush for, but he respected our soldiers and the families that supported them. Obama doesn’t give a damn. He and his staff have spent demonstrably more time bitching to the press about how unfair FOX is than they have supporting the troops.

    “He cares so little in fact, that he doesn’t rush to snap decisions without weighing consequences.”

    Horseshit.

    AFW, this is where I have to disagree with you–Obama isn’t procrastinating. He’s trying to figure out how to make someone else make the decision on the troop surge in Afghanistan so he doesn’t get blamed for it in the end.

    The press has been waving a book in front of us for the past couple of months, one by Gordon M. Goldstein that I haven’t had the chance to read yet. The title says it all: “Lessons in disaster: McGeorge Bundy and the Path to War in Vietnam.” Obama has apparently read this book and taken it as gospel. He isn’t listening to the battle-ready commanders who understand from experience what needs to be done. I don’t want to hear about snap decisions anymore, because when the vast majority of the GENERALS of our armed forces, men who couldn’t have made it to their ranks without combat experience, are saying something needs to change–chances are IT’S THEIR EXPERIENCE TALKING.

    We don’t know what we’re talking about, though. We’re just a bunch of seething conservatives who want to kill everything that moves, right?

  19. “The President didn’t attend any funerals. He attended a homecoming to Dover. And he made damn sure someone got a picture of it.”

    Yes, because God forbid that some fucking body notices the sacrifices made by our military. Where was all this bloviating when the last president couldn’t take time out his vacationing, I mean work schedule to attend any homecoming to Dover? Where was your brimming national pride when he barred the media from showing flag draped coffins coming home? Tout your “independence” all you like, but there is most certainly a stark contrast to your criticism of a president from one party versus the nonexistent criticism of one from the other.

    “I live this life, Robert. You don’t. You have NO IDEA what you are talking about, and no idea what is going on.”

    You know nothing of me or my background. I could congratulate you on marrying a member of the military, but that doesn’t give you all the answers, and it certainly doesn’t give you carte blanche to condescend to people that you know nothing about because you may have some insight bestowed upon you by dumb luck. You’ve leveled similar attacks at me in the past, and I can only assume that you feel the need to assert some moral or intellectual superiority. So, by all means, lead on, mother, teacher, military spouse; teach me more…

    “What the President did wasn’t to honor anyone – it was to make the front page of the paper at a time when he is rightfully being accused of waffling. ”

    What a disgusting thing to say, and of course you think you can get away with saying it, what with knowing all the ins and outs of the military, being a wife and all. Until you can prove to the rest of us that your mind reading abilities are legit, I’d keep those incredibly base thoughts to myself, because there is no overt behavior on the part of the President to support your ramblings.

    “The President had the information he needed in August – that’s MONTHS to mull it over. At what point does it stop being “not rushing to a decision” and become, “Procrastination”?

    Gee, I don’t know, I’d say about eight years. It’s fascinating how bullshit like this and accusations of dithering can be bandied about, yet everyone so quickly forgets the lack of foresight associated with abandoning Afghanistan in favor of attacking Iraq, a country that did not attack us and was not harboring terrorists. That is what got us into this position. I’m sure you’ll fall back on some hackneyed excuse, but the fact of the matter is, you will never be satisfied with anything this president does, no matter who it helps, because just judging from your comments, that is apparently your nature. You accuse me of being hard headed and set in my opinions, and while being true, at least I have the decency and wherewithal to admit it.

    “His reactions were right on target and anyone who DARES to question him must be a racist”

    This has to be the flimsiest argument to ever come from any side of the aisle. You should probably refrain from putting words into people’s mouths to give yourself a backdoor to flee scrutiny.

    Oh, and by the way, I watched both the President’s weekly address, and the Republican weekly address, given this week by Haley Barbour. The very first thing mentioned by the president was the massacre at Fort Hood and had nothing but praise for those who acted as bravely as they did. Barbour didn’t once utter the words “Fort” or “Hood” in any succession. Perhaps you’d like to post a missive directing your indignation at him as well, although I doubt it.

  20. “Robert, sometimes you can be a nice guy. Others you’re a jackass, and you really piss me off.”

    Yeah, I’ve been trying to go with nice guy lately, but when I read something I find to be blatantly hypocritical, it irks me.

    “So the hell what? I find it absolutely hysterical that you can say that in one breath and in the next disparage the guy who was in a classroom on 9/11 as a complete, aimless moron”

    That was the only reason I brought that up, because it seems like the same conservatives who thought that was okay are now jumping down Obama’s throat.

    “What would have been tasteful for Bush would have been to calmly tell the kids, “I’m sorry, but something has happened and I’ve got to go, but I promise I’ll come back,” and leave promptly. I’ve not defended what he did.”

    I appreciate the honesty. I do know that Steve has defended his actions. I didn’t mean to imply that the blog has collectively defended that. I also think that Bush should have done exactly what you said. I’ve heard some say that anything he could have said would have scared or upset the children, but the scenario you laid out would have been the perfect thing to say.

    “I feel the need to reiterate what AFW has said: it wasn’t a funeral, it was merely the homecoming. And he took the press corps with him to make sure it was captured on film for history’s sake.”

    Thank you for correcting me, I didn’t mean funeral. And what exactly is wrong with the public knowing that we have a president who cares enough to honor the fallen? I mean, honestly, would you have been happy had he not gone at all like Bush? I don’t understand; this guy can’t win with you people.

    “He cares so much he hasn’t spent one hour with soldiers or their families, something Bush did on a regular basis.”

    Well, now, that’s just not even true. He just visited soldiers at Walter Reed. And let me preemptively inform you that this trip was indeed planned before the tragic events at Fort Hood took place.

    ” There are plenty of things I got mad at Bush for, but he respected our soldiers and the families that supported them. Obama doesn’t give a damn. ”

    I could make this into a much bigger debate, but I’ll just say that I vehemently disagree with both of those assertions.

    “We don’t know what we’re talking about, though. We’re just a bunch of seething conservatives who want to kill everything that moves, right?”

    Well, normally I’d say yes, but I’ve been on your bad side enough times to know that I don’t like being there…

  21. “Well, now, that’s just not even true. He just visited soldiers at Walter Reed.”

    Try again, Robert. He regularly invited military families to the White House.

    As for Bush not going to Dover or the funerals…that’s a security risk. Obama should have stayed away as Bush did. I may not like the guy, but I don’t want him being martyred, either, because then he becomes unstoppable.

    “I could congratulate you on marrying a member of the military, but that doesn’t give you all the answers, and it certainly doesn’t give you carte blanche to condescend to people that you know nothing about because you may have some insight bestowed upon you by dumb luck.”

    That was completely out of line. Irked or not, don’t attack someone personally simply because you don’t like their perspective. Dumb luck has nothing to do with it. She does what most spouses can’t do, and she has my utmost respect–especially considering the fact that she doesn’t agree with us 100% of the time and she’s still capable of being perfectly tasteful.

  22. Well, I guess we have Robert on board of supporting Ann Coulter’s position.

    It was her who said that the left uses people like The Jersey Girls (4 9/11 widows from New Jersey) to promote their crazy ideas and use their personal authenticity to promote anyone from responding.

    He is proclaiming the same thing here.

    I would bet even AFW agrees….however; she is not relying on the fact that she married someone to be the end-all of this discussion. She provided many facts and perspectives.

    The fact is, Muslim American groups are coming out with their FIRST concern being their poor tarnished reputations. Nevermind that 13 soliders are dead, nevermind that it happened here on our soil because of liberal politically correct positions – let’s make this all about them! Let’s victimize the 4 million Muslims living in America before we mourn the death of 13 great Americans.

    That is the point that brings me to nausea. The same “road” I took that disappointed you resulted in you proclaiming AFW’s positions and opinions on marrying someone as something “bestowed upon you by dumb luck.”

    THAT is the disappointing road.

  23. I’m curious to know why it was a BRITISH paper–not an AMERICAN one–that broke that story. I read it just a little while ago, and it’s sickening that our media couldn’t report it before someone else’s did.

    You know what this means, don’t you? The Muslims believe they’re winning. They’re sitting back, looking at us, going, “they didn’t want to report it because we’ve done our job well and we can continue with jihad!”

  24. “I’m curious to know why it was a BRITISH paper–not an AMERICAN one–that broke that story. I read it just a little while ago, and it’s sickening that our media couldn’t report it before someone else’s did.”

    Oh, it’s been that way for several years now. Most news I get is from the BBC. As a matter of fact, it’s my homepage…

  25. “Try again, Robert. He regularly invited military families to the White House.”

    Are you talking about Bush or Obama? Because I was talking about Obama. I used the word just meaning recently.

    “Irked or not, don’t attack someone personally simply because you don’t like their perspective. Dumb luck has nothing to do with it”

    I don’t think that was a personal attack. I suppose my language could have been softer, but I was merely pointing out that her perspective does not make anyone else’s invalid. I get the feeling from this and past exchanges, that she thinks it does. I have a cousin who was a Marine, but I don’t go around pretending I know all there is to know regarding military matters. Granted, it’s not the same as being married to someone in the Air Force, but the principal remains the same.

  26. “Well, I guess we have Robert on board of supporting Ann Coulter’s position.

    It was her who said that the left uses people like The Jersey Girls (4 9/11 widows from New Jersey) to promote their crazy ideas and use their personal authenticity to promote anyone from responding.”

    How is that even remotely similar?

    “Can we call it a terrorist attack created by liberal political correctness yet?”

    When are you going to choose to start having sensible and responsible reactions to situations over taking the low road and trying to appeal to the lowest common denominator? What on earth does political correctness have to do with this man’s tragic decision to kill his fellow soldiers? You’re always looking to play the partisan blame game, Steve, and as I’ve stated before, I would think that this would be a perfectly apolitical time to do the opposite. Sadly, I don’t think it’ll have any impact on your way of thinking…

  27. Wow. A bit too soon for this eh?

    Why would you send a muslim of Middle Eastern ancestry and first born American at that to Afghanistan? Even if he were of sound mind, that’s too close to home.

    I have no sympathy for his acts. There was as slow corrosion of this man’s sense of self and somebody should have intervened.

  28. Last I checked, he was supposed to be an American. I have a faith and so do many others. But when I regard others, I have to first regard them as Americans before anything else.

    If he signed up for the Army – even after he knew we had shaky dealings with the Middle East – that, to me is a clean cut sign right there that something else was up his sleeve. He was devious and this was indeed a terrorist attack….and I am sorry, but it is not the last time this will happen until we take it seriously and do something to stop it.

    It’s not too soon to start taking action….those 13 that died did so in honor of their country. Not only did they die defending us, they died educating us. Let’s focus on stopping these attacks from happening to even one more American.

  29. We can put Hasan’s name aside in discussing whether what he did was terrorism. Truly. He could have been named John Johnson – he attended the mosque of the 9/11 hijackers.

    He made statements supporting terrorist ideology that vastly discomfited those around him, but people were afraid of holding him accountable because they didn’t want to be held racist (so, it’s better for 13 people to die and 30 to be wounded than to rightfully hold someone accountable because calling racism or discrimination when it doesn’t exist is a get out of jail free card?).

    He was posting extremist comments on websites.

    He was trying to contact Al Qaeda.

    He was yelling Allahu Akbar while shooting.

    At some point this stops being speculation, and it isn’t wrong to say so. It isn’t racist – Islam isn’t a race. It isn’t discriminatory, either. Substitute “Irish” and the connected terms for Islam in 1970s Britain and you get the same answer. One thing is not a determinator. Two things makes a person think. Three things is a red flag that needs to be looked into. More than three things is absolute and disgusting failure on the part of the Army.

    Does someone being Muslim make them a terrorist, or even a suspected terrorist? Not in the least.

    Does someone being Muslim and making extremist comments while having active connections with a terrorist organization through their Imam throw up red flags?

    LOTS OF THEM. And we shouldn’t have been so sensitive to being called names that we let it slide.

    And as for the mental stability argument – since when has any terrorist been mentally stable? It takes a real loon to walk into a Seder dinner with grandmothers and babies and happily blow it up. Being mentally unstable doesn’t make someone not a terrorist. Nor does working on your own make one less a terrorist.

    Nidal Hasan is a terrorist. He committed an act of terror. He is the enemy. How many more facts are needed?

    Oh, and apparently he was an absolutely shitty doctor, too.

  30. *correction* the mosque where one of the spiritual advisors of the 9/11 hijackers was preaching.

    My fingers were not keeping up with my brain, apparently.

  31. “He could have been named John Johnson – he attended the mosque of the 9/11 hijackers. ”

    A person who went on to become a famous actor used to attend my Parish. Does this mean I am going to be famous for acting too?

    It’s too soon for such talk. We need to mourn our dead, tend to our wounded and then get on with the deeper aspects of this.

  32. I don’t think so, John (the church point, that is). However, if you attended church with someone who went on to be a famous actor and also attended acting classes with them, I’d be inclined to believe it possible.

    And then if that same person got you a bit role in one of their films, I’d pretty much believe it was going to happen.

    That was what I was trying to say – several small things add up.

    And believe me, I’m mourning the dead. Believe me. But unfortunately this incident does not wait for us to feel better for things to be done. In order for us to stop it from happening again, we have to put the facts together as soon as possible (the facts, not suppositions). It sucks to have to think about it as we are sorting through the awful feelings that accompany this, but we can’t put it aside, either.

    War doesn’t wait for us to gather our thoughts and feelings. I wish it did. In yet another way war has been brought home to us. We have to work quickly.

    If this were an earthquake, or a tsunami, or something we could not prevent, we would have the luxury of time to rethink and rebuild. This – this isn’t that way. Time benefits our enemies, not us.

    And I will not sit back while the media tries to make it “the truth” that Hasan somehow contracted PTSD like swine flu after never deploying and that is why he did this. I will NOT.

  33. “It’s too soon for such talk. We need to mourn our dead, tend to our wounded and then get on with the deeper aspects of this.”

    The problem is, we aren’t mourning the dead. The sorrow for the 13 dead is an abstract sorrow to the media compared to the mega-sorrow for the potential discrimination and disparaging of “peaceful Muslims” here in the United States. That’s worthy of discussion and it greatly surpasses the decency our own President who showed more conviction in telling us to “not jump to conclusions” about the attack than he did in sincere sorrow at the announcement.

    There is nothing wrong with simultaneously crying our eyes out over the 13 gone while demanding immediate action be taken to make sure this doesn’t happen again.

    It’s this crave for such that is allowing all of us – the 296 million NON muslims in the United States to be sitting ducks for the next attack.

    Let’s assume there is one “peaceful Muslim” out there who attends Mosque and afterwards, gathers with his other “peaceful Muslim” clan to plan the next attack on our soil. It could be in a drive through, a restaurant, a movie theater, etc.

    Do you honestly think that before he successfully pulls it off, he’s going to run around screaming that he’s part of a violent Jihad mindset?

    Why are Americans so afraid of the lesson this attack is trying to teach us?

    While we cannot throw Muslims out of the country or listen to all of their phone calls, our focus needs to be reminding them how Americans don’t immediately retaliate with hate and violence, but by being hypersensitive to comments reverses the goal of the overall message – WE ARE WATCHING and WE ARE NOTICING.

  34. “And I will not sit back while the media tries to make it “the truth” that Hasan somehow contracted PTSD like swine flu after never deploying and that is why he did this. I will NOT.”

    PTSD can manifest through many different sort of events. War is one of them. Violent attacks due to a crime is another way. Watching your friends die of AIDS can do it too.

    As for this doctor, in his field of psychiatry he should have been better equipped to deal with mental conditions of his patients. He should have learned to step away from their troubles and not make them his own. I don’t buy either that he contracted this PTSD.

    Yes it can be brutal tending to wounded soldiers some of whom were horribly disfigured by their injuries. I don’t think there is a medical professional in the military that wouldn’t be touched by such suffering. But, he went over the line. Why? I do not know. I do know the Devil Made Me Do It doesn’t wash. He was better equipped than most to deal with this or should have been.

  35. Well, apparently none of us will know now. Just a while ago, Hasan’s attorney demanded that federal investigators stay away.

    I cannot, absolutely CANNOT believe this.

  36. Wow. Heavy meds and a life threatening wound and he still has the presence of mind to ask for representation.

    Hm.

  37. “It’s too soon for such talk. We need to mourn our dead, tend to our wounded and then get on with the deeper aspects of this.”

    That is the only point that I was trying to make. And look what it sparked…

  38. I respectfully disagree about the “deeper aspects.”

    When you’re a soldier or an officer, if an act of this magnitude is part of a larger problem, you don’t hesitate. You stop feeling sorry for yourself and you get the job done.

    Yes, we should mourn our dead. But while doing that we need to look to the realities of what happened and act swiftly and decisively. Hesitation is what killed 13 good souls and injured 40 others.

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