Most “OPEN” My Texan…

Senate majority leader Harry Reid – most recently putting his foot in his mouth for likening Republicans speaking out against socialized healthcare to the backwards slave owners fighting against freeing said slaves – has just managed to get his foot stuffed halfway down his digestive tract. I thought that was anatomically impossible, but he’s just proven me wrong.

He referred to Obama as a “light-skinned” black man with “no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one.”

At this point, after all his grandstanding on the healthcare overhaul and the multiple name-calling sessions he’s held to bash Senate Republicans (and Steve will forgive my Japanese here), I’m waiting for the announcement from his doctor that he needs medical leave after he shits his shiny shoe.

This is what’s pointed out in an as-yet-unreleased book called “Game Change” by John Heilemann and Mark Halperin, who documented the 2008 campaign trails and all the gossip that went on. Included are revelations that Bill Clinton is having another affair, Hillary’s staffers were waiting for her to blow up, and Elizabeth Edwards and all of her hubby’s staff knew about his affair LONG before the National Enquirer caught on.

Meanwhile, back on the farm…

Harry Reid has deflected real questions about the healthcare debacle by taking aim at Republicans who refuse to support the legislation, calling them racists in more ways than one (the “slavery” remark was only one that was made). Finally, after the House managed to pass a bill, the two bills – the one passed by the Senate differs greatly from the one passed by the House of Representatives – now need to be patched together and both Senate and House need to vote again. Normally, this goes through committee processes before being whittled down to a final product.

Democrats have circumvented this process and taken the two bills into a backroom hashing session to avoid public scrutiny. In response to questions from the press about Obama’s promises to lead the “most open and transparent administration in history,” Nancy Pelosi laughed, shrugged it off and said…that it was as open as it could be.

I beg your pardon?

I don’t like this legislation to begin with. Not a single conservative in America does. Now, however, we’ve got the President who promised transparency and openness and all of his minions refusing to allow the voters to know what’s going on. When they’re called on it, they’re brushing it aside and telling us that it’s as “open as it can be.” Translation: we promised this reform, but we want to get our foot in the socialist door, so we’re going to do what we can and we expect our liberal shills to support us as loudly as they can.

Most “open and transparent” my Texan ass. Those of you who bagged on Bush for tearing down our rights, look at what’s going on right now and tell me that our guy really attacked our rights. Look at the body scanners being put up in our airports, our senators and representatives forcing bills down our throats that they don’t want us to read until it’s too late, and the accusations that are tossed about by liberals who don’t want conservatives to have a voice. Here at gayconservative.org, we’ve been called racists, bigots, even anti-gay (that one was a hoot), all of it in an effort to shut us up.

In the meantime, the Democrats are driving us right over the socialist cliff.

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28 thoughts on “Most “OPEN” My Texan…

  1. He [Harry Reid] referred to Obama as a “light-skinned” black man with “no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one.”

    LOL! Now that’s classic. Senate Republicans are asking him to step down as Senate Majority Leader. The Obama accepts Reid’s apology.

    Reid will stay on as Senate Majority Leader because Liberals get to have one set of rules for themselves and a different set of rules for everyone else.

    Come November, Reid along with Barbara Boxer are history. I can’t wait.

  2. This was fowarded to me. Sadly, I know people who are like the patient in this letter.

    I do not know if this letter is bona fide. But I do know people who have no problem spending $100 or more on a pair of blue jeans or blow a big stash of cash for two weeks in Paris/London and then whining because they had pay $10 to get their presciption filled. Then after getting their prescription they stop at Starbucks on the way home and plow down $4-6 for a exotic coffee drink and think nothing of it.

    Dear Mr. President:

    During my shift in the Emergency Room last night, I had the pleasure of evaluating a patient whose smile revealed an expensive shiny gold tooth, whose body was adorned with a wide assortment of elaborate and costly tattoos, who wore a very expensive brand of tennis shoes and who chatted on a new cellular telephone equipped with a popular R&B ringtone.

    While glancing over her patient chart, I happened to notice that her payer status was listed as “Medicaid”! During my examination of her, the patient informed me that she smokes more than one costly pack of cigarettes every day and somehow still has money to buy pretzels and beer.

    And, you and our Congress expect me to pay for this woman’s health care? I contend that our nation’s “health care crisis” is not the result of a shortage of quality hospitals, doctors or nurses. Rather, it is the result of a “crisis of culture”, a culture in which it is perfectly acceptable to spend money on luxuries and vices while refusing to take care of one’s self or, heaven forbid, purchase health insurance. It is a culture based in the irresponsible credo that “I can do whatever I want to because someone else will always take care of me”.

    Once you fix this “culture crisis” that rewards irresponsibility and dependency, you’ll be amazed at how quickly our nation’s health care difficulties will disappear.

    Respectfully,
    STARNER JONES, MD

  3. That letter is horse shit. It’s a straw man from start to finish. Nothing in the bill would burden the rest of society to pay for her health care, and no one that I know of has ever made the argument that sub standard care is the problem. It must be nice to come up with a solution to a problem that no one has. If the “author” was a real doctor, he’d know all that by now…

  4. “Reid will stay on as Senate Majority Leader because Liberals get to have one set of rules for themselves and a different set of rules for everyone else.”

    That’s rich. The idea that this incarnation of the Republican Party has the unmitigated gall to call anyone a racist is beyond laughable. Not only that, but what happened to actions speaking louder than words? Take a look at the man’s record when it comes to civil rights and African American issues. He has a 98% rating from the NAACP, for crying out loud. Now all of a sudden, the corporate media wants to pull the least interesting excerpt from a book rife with unsourced “information” and make believe that we’re dealing with Trent Lott here. I’m sorry, but there is an actual discernible difference between pointing out racism (Reid) and praising it (Lott). Reid’s words blurred the line, I will concede. But he made an unfortunate choice of words to state a fact. What I took away from his remarks was that in this country, African American politicians sadly will likely not succeed on a large scale if they have dark skin and sound “too black”. And it is BECAUSE there are racists in this country that this is true. But to call Reid a racist would be to ignore his voting record, his actions, and the fact that he supported Barack Obama early in the campaign. Meanwhile, cons have seemingly no problem with Rush Limbaugh proclaiming that “Negroes” used to “bring Ted Kennedy his booze”. One set of rules indeed…

  5. “Most “open and transparent” my Texan ass. Those of you who bagged on Bush for tearing down our rights, look at what’s going on right now and tell me that our guy really attacked our rights.”

    Is that a real and genuine comparison? Your guy wiped his ass with the constitution at every available opportunity, from his ascension to the presidency, to torturing people in our names, to going to war without a declaration, to circumventing federal courts in order to spy on American citizens. Now that a majority of people in this country want to be healthy, instead of sick for profit, it’s an assault on our freedoms. You’ve made this flimsy accusation in the past, and have still never answered my question of which rights have been stripped/attacked/trampled/insert wildly hyperbolic attention getting adjective here. I suggest that you people stop complaining and find a better way to deal with the reality that elections do indeed have consequences.

  6. “I’m sorry, but there is an actual discernible difference between pointing out racism (Reid) and praising it (Lott). ”

    No there isn’t. How daft can you be? I don’t care of Reid has a 100% rating from the NAACP. He made a racist remark about blacks and a bad one at that.

    Jimmy the Greek lost his job with CBS Sports over similar remarks. Harry Reid is still working? Jimmy the Greek stated a historical fact regarding slave owners pairing up physically superior slaves with one another to make babies that would also be physically superior.

    Over the generations the children of these children have gone on to be some of America’s greatest sports stars. That’s historical fact. Jimmy the Greek loses his job.

    So Reid all but says if a black man is too ghetto like he won’t get elected and God forbid he be black as night. I suppose a flat nose is no help too or did Reid forget to mention that? Using Reid’s reasoning Michael Jackson should have had an easy time winning the White House vs. Obama.

    You’ve proved my point Robert, one set of rules for themselves and a different set of rules for everyone else. One more thing, what Trent Lott said is irrelevant because what Reid said is dimissive on its own shame. If there were no Trent Lott remarks, Reid would be as wrong as he is now.

  7. Just think if there is a Republican win in Massachusetts, or whatever the results, we should thank Reid, Pelosi, Dodd, Frank, and others for the incentive to rid them of their power-lust. Follow the droppings and you’ll find the rats.
    The way I view it, whatever the ballot-count (an arbitrary factor in the Bay State), Scott Brown’s campaign is a win. Think about it.

  8. “Nothing in the bill would burden the rest of society to pay for her health care”

    What? “Jane” has an expensive pre-existing medical condition and she can’t get insurance. But wait, the Obama plan forces insurance companies to insure her. The cost of covering Jane will be passed on by everyone who has health insurance. Jane gets to ride on the backs of everyone else. Bully for Jane eh?

    “Tina” is healthy. She eats right, exercises, she does not smoke, and she is no obese. Tina is the kind of person an health insurance company loves. Tina gets insurance. But, she has to pay to cover Jane and that pesky pre existing condition. Tina decides, “I’ll eat six servings of fat laden chilli cheese fries as my diet and down it with a six pack of Coca Cola. I don’t care if I get fat and clog my aorta. Someone else will help me pay for it.”

    The weak intend to plunder the wealth of the strong. That’s evil.

  9. “No there isn’t. How daft can you be?”

    You can’t tell the difference between pointing out people’s racist tendencies and advocating them, and I’m the daft one? Amazing.

    “He made a racist remark about blacks and a bad one at that.”

    Point out the racism and I’ll gladly jump on your side of the argument (And the word negro does not count. If it does, the census is entirely racist). You want racism to be there so you can make this asinine argument. It isn’t there, so you figure yelling even louder will make it so. Good luck with that…

    “So Reid all but says if a black man is too ghetto like he won’t get elected and God forbid he be black as night.”

    And is it false or is it true? You know damn well what the answer is, but you’re acting indignant for the sake of argument.

    “One more thing, what Trent Lott said is irrelevant because what Reid said is dimissive on its own shame. If there were no Trent Lott remarks, Reid would be as wrong as he is now.”

    That’s erroneous reasoning at best. My point was that Lott’s statements synched up with his actions and his voting record. Reid is not the one advocating for segregation. His record does not exude one iota of racism. Like I said, you desperately want racism to be present so you can at long last say the other side is just as racist as yours. Not today…

  10. “The weak intend to plunder the wealth of the strong. That’s evil.”

    Well, that example you gave was incredibly ignorant if not downright stupid. This is like trying to find the elusive “Welfare Queen” again that Reagan invented (in a case of actual racism (that you have yet to denounce)). If you actually think people willfully destroy their own bodies on the assumption that others will take care of it, you are sadly mistaken and it really speaks volumes to who you are as a person, rather than how this affects the debate about health care in this country. I mean, really, what happened in your life to make you this way? Because normal people aren’t like this.

    And let’s, for a second, remove what you have identified as the biggest problem when it comes to health insurance coverage (people’s food choices). People are still denied coverage for a wide range of problems (probably more so than your pick); from cancer, all the way down to teenaged acne. You people love to pretend that all of life’s problems can be avoided by sheer will power and careful planning. If only life did what we want it to. Personal responsibility will not prevent cancer, it will not stop you from developing Chron’s disease, it will not let you skirt Type 1 Diabetes (which is genetic). You need to stop being so narrow minded by believing that anyone who is less fortunate than you did something wrong. Taking care of each other is not evil. Seeing to it that we are indeed entitled to life (go figure), liberty, and the pursuit of happiness is likewise not evil. And making sure that the government serves its sole purpose, to promote the general welfare of its citizens is not evil, it is right. And you are wrong. Your predictable (and equally disposable) response will be to let charities handle what you so callously cannot be bothered with. Harry Truman said it best when he said that “Not one of our citizens should be abandoned to the indignity of charity”. Glad to see it’s good enough in your book…

  11. Robert, Type 1 Diabetes is not genetic. Most of the people I know with that disorder don’t have a direct relative who has it. My cousin Lauren developed it when she was in college after a long and difficult illness, as did a friend of mine here in AZ (although he was in his late 30’s). Neither had ever had diabetes before. Normally it shows up in childhood, but not always.

    Taking care of each other may not be evil, but requiring everyone to pay for everyone else’s ailments IS. We live in a free country, a place where we should have the right to decide whether we’re going to donate that help to a person or not. Being in the medical profession, I can tell you that obesity causes a great many medical issues that could be avoided by a healthier diet, exercise and/or testing for thyroid problems (which I have and am being treated for, which is inexpensive). Smoking and heavy drinking also cause a high number of medical issues.

    We have the freedom to decide what we’re going to eat, whether we’ll smoke, and how much we’ll drink. If that is the choice you make, then you should be free to pay for it yourself.

  12. “Harry Truman said it best when he said that “Not one of our citizens should be abandoned to the indignity of charity”. Glad to see it’s good enough in your book…”

    The indignity of charity? That’s rather cold.

    As for why I seem to have a harsh view on people, that’s easy to explain. I expect every person to pull his or her own weight. That’s not too much to ask. I pull mine. I don’t expect others to pull my share.

  13. “Robert, Type 1 Diabetes is not genetic.”

    Yes it is, in most cases.

    “Most of the people I know with that disorder don’t have a direct relative who has it”

    And? It’s gotta start somewhere. Having a genetic dispositions to getting it doesn’t mean your parents must have it as well.

    “Normally it shows up in childhood, but not always.”

    Right, not always. My dad has type 1 diabetes, and he’s most likely had it since birth. He’s just never known it until he felt bad enough to go to the ER with a blood sugar level of over 400.

    “Taking care of each other may not be evil, but requiring everyone to pay for everyone else’s ailments IS”

    That’s not what’s being proposed, but how so? And keep in mind that everyone who has insurance is already paying for everyone who uses the ER as primary care in the form of higher premiums. Somehow getting more people out of the ER and into a doctor’s office, thus lowering everyone else’s burden, is evil. Killing two birds with one stone is no longer smart and prudent, it is now evil. Got it.

    “We have the freedom to decide what we’re going to eat, whether we’ll smoke, and how much we’ll drink. If that is the choice you make, then you should be free to pay for it yourself.”

    And what about the myriad of diseases that aren’t caused by lifestyle choices? Again, you like to pretend that everyone has control over everything. Life doesn’t work that way. That would be like me arguing that homosexuality is a choice that people make of their own free will. It’s essentially the same argument, and no amount of histrionics is going to convince me otherwise.

  14. “The indignity of charity? That’s rather cold.”

    He explained that charity is indeed indignity when you HAVE to have it. I agree. My mother did a fantastic job of raising three boys alone. But when she got laid off after giving sixteen years of service to a prominent defense contractor, options were kind of limited for someone with three mouths to feed. I remember one Christmas, we had to take food and clothing from a local church. I was young, but I could see that it devastated my mother to have to accept that. There was no dignity in doing that. It both humbles you and strips you of pride. I understand fully the weight behind Truman’s words.

  15. “Yes it is, in most cases…And? It’s gotta start somewhere. Having a genetic dispositions to getting it doesn’t mean your parents must have it as well.”

    NO, ROBERT. Type 1 Diabetes is listed as an autoimmune disease, believed to be caused by a multitude of factors, possibly even viruses. It occurs when your body’s immune system attacks the beta cells in the pancreas, which produce insulin, which breaks down sugar in the bloodstream. The disease most commonly occurs in children because their immune systems are still developing, but it can rear its ugly head at any age. Try again.

    “Somehow getting more people out of the ER and into a doctor’s office, thus lowering everyone else’s burden, is evil. Killing two birds with one stone is no longer smart and prudent, it is now evil. Got it.”

    Oh, horsehockey, Robert. I have a relative who did not monitor her eating habits at all. I grew up watching her eat the crappiest food imaginable. Then, when her health became dire, her doctor told her if she didn’t have surgery she’d be dead inside two years. So she had a portion of her stomach removed. She hasn’t learned healthier eating habits and has become a heavy drinker. She has insurance, yet doesn’t go to a doctor for preventative maintenance regularly and never really has. I know many people like that–people who do have insurance yet won’t go to the doctor unless they must. Since when does the government–does anyone, really–have any business requiring anyone to go to a doctor for prevention?

    If you read anything, Robert, poor lifestyle accounts for a very high number of health problems. I don’t disagree that unavoidable diseases such as cancer should end up leading a person to be dropped from insurance. But if we want private insurers to have the incentive to keep those patients, we need to STOP REGULATING THEM TO DEATH.

  16. Thanks for the Wikipedia cut and paste, Mel, but I know what diabetes is. And I prefer to take my information on the subject from people who actually went to medical school and work in the medical field over a part time EMT, thanks.

    “Since when does the government–does anyone, really–have any business requiring anyone to go to a doctor for prevention?”

    No one is requiring anyone to go to the doctor. People obviously want to and need to, and it’s a far better alternative to using an ER as your primary means of medical attention. Why you are resistant to that is beyond me, especially in light of the fact that you’re bitching about paying for other people’s health care. What do you think is happening now? People have seen their premiums rise faster than their wages because the system is overloaded with people who can’t afford insurance and people who can’t get insured going to the ER every time something is wrong. Those who can’t afford insurance surely cannot afford their $9,000 ER visit. That cost gets passed along to you. I know a surgeon and a medical doctor (in addition to my nurse sister in law) who are both in favor of single payer, and it’s because they will actually get paid. All those people coming in to the ER for care, about 85% of them are guaranteed to not pay their bill. The doctors don’t make any money when the patients don’t pay. This isn’t rocket science.

    “If you read anything, Robert, poor lifestyle accounts for a very high number of health problems.”

    No shit, but that’s not the entire problem does that mean those people should not be insured? You’ll most likely say yes, but that’s not the right answer. And those who do develop diseases beyond their control are also uninsurable. Is that also fair?

    “But if we want private insurers to have the incentive to keep those patients, we need to STOP REGULATING THEM TO DEATH.”

    So, basically capitulate to them so maybe they’ll be nice to us? That’s not going to work. They’ve operated with impunity for the last thirty years, and that hasn’t worked out too well. Profits keep going up, and payouts keep going down. People get bonuses for denying the most claims, for crying out loud. What regulation are you even talking about? If they were regulated in the slightest, they wouldn’t be able to treat people the way they do.

    I find it astonishing that the conservative mantra is always to deregulate. Haven’t we learned the hard lesson of failure yet?

  17. “Thanks for the Wikipedia cut and paste, Mel, but I know what diabetes is. And I prefer to take my information on the subject from people who actually went to medical school and work in the medical field over a part time EMT, thanks.”

    Translation: Robert is never wrong. You’re a jerk, by the way–I have never looked at Wikipedia for medical advice in any way. I’ve taken advanced pharmacology classes in my bid to get into paramedic school, and had to learn what certain drugs are meant for. In order to learn that, I had to learn what the diseased they treat do to the body and how they work. You have no idea what my education is. And by the way, I’ve been a “part-time EMT” for five years.

    “I know a surgeon and a medical doctor (in addition to my nurse sister in law) who are both in favor of single payer, and it’s because they will actually get paid.”

    I know MULTIPLE doctors, nurses and surgeons who are scared to death of a single-payer system because they know that while they may get paid, they’ll never be fully reimbursed. Even now, Medicaid doesn’t fully reimburse doctors and half the time doesn’t pay on time. There’s always a few in each profession who’ll stump for this kind of thing; hell, there are soldiers in every war who turn anti-war no matter how justified that war is. That doesn’t make them right.

    “So, basically capitulate to them so maybe they’ll be nice to us? That’s not going to work. They’ve operated with impunity for the last thirty years, and that hasn’t worked out too well.”

    Oh, horseshit. They have NOT operated with impunity, and it’s the over-regulation that has brought us to this point. Do you even pay attention to the reports about government regulations? It costs one-third to insure a family in Iowa what it costs to insure a family in New Jersey because New Jersey requires insurance companies to cover everything from regular preventative maintenance to acupuncture. Since when should a medical insurance company be required to cover alternative therapies? That kind of thing goes on all over the place, and that is what the government is refusing to stop. With 1800 health insurance companies in America, the State of California only allows companies operating in the state to use six of them. SIX! That is an outrage.

    Your theory is full of holes because you refuse to see all of the facts. Try again.

  18. “People have seen their premiums rise faster than their wages because the system is overloaded with people who can’t afford insurance and people who can’t get insured going to the ER every time something is wrong.”

    Yes they do. When their car doesn’t work they don’t go to the mechanic and get free auto service. When they need new clothes they don’t go to the department store and get free clothes. But, when they need to see a doctor they have no problem stealing that sort of service. Amazing the attitude eh? The sense of entitlement. The lack of a moral compass. The complete disregard for the people who will have to cover that cost. I’ll get mine and screw people if I have too. Don’t you just love it.

    So, we create this system that won’t act like insurance because true insurance is for disasters, not minor aches and pains. Every damn tablet of aspirin and every Band Aid will be free. Then of course just about anyone who claims to practice any sort of healing art will also get covererd too if they whine long enough. Why before you know it we’ll have Witch Doctors and Faith Healers under the plan. Why I bet VooDoo priests can jump in the mix as well as people who sell Snake Oil too.

  19. Oh, but don’t forget, John–healthcare is a right and everyone should have unfettered access to it regardless of the cost. Damn the cost of medical school, which is costing my girlfriend’s family a small fortune to cover. What’s that about doctors getting good salaries? Why, that’s a crime–healthcare is a RIGHT! No doctor should make more than the average joe! And if they don’t do everything we expect them to do, we should have the right to sue them into bankruptcy and guarantee that they’ll see their legal insurance premiums double!

    Oh, and by the way, Robert–I’ll take your comments to mean that you don’t think an EMT is qualified to treat you. So if I ever get called to your home, I’ll politely defer to an ALS unit and call another rescue to help you, since I’m apparently incompetent.

  20. Yes Mel. Healthcare is a right even when the U.S. Constitution doesn’t say so. Funny how that happens. Oh yes, the liberals love to milk the phrase promote the general welfare to justify their socialist aims.

    One more thing about ER’s and this is nothing new. The courts force ER’s to take patients even if they have no means of paying. Imagine if other businesses had to do that? Would the cineplex in town be open if it had to give away free movie tickets? Would the New York Yankees exist if free seats to Yankee stadium were ordered by the courts?

    It must be nice to force business practices and not have to answer for it.

    One of my sibs works at a hospital and their ER gets what they call Frequent Flyers. A Frequent Flyer is a junkie who can’t score narcotics. The junkie comes in complaining of pain from some kind of injury and demands specific narcotic drugs. Funny how they know that?

    Do these people get turned away? No. Do they get doped up? Only if they submit to blood test and don’t test positive for opiates. It’s amazing how many of them get so upset when they test positive for heroin and the doctor won’t light them up with another fix. I guess purse snatching old ladies, turning tricks and robbing houses is really hard to do when you are jonesing real hard for smack.

  21. “I know MULTIPLE doctors, nurses and surgeons who are scared to death of a single-payer system because they know that while they may get paid, they’ll never be fully reimbursed.”

    So, in your estimation, it’s better for doctors to get paid zero than to “maybe” get paid at least something? Do I have that right? This is what passes for a cogent argument? It’s like you’re not even trying…

    “There’s always a few in each profession who’ll stump for this kind of thing”

    That’s funny, I was going to say the same thing to you. My sister in law works at Banner Del Webb, and she knows one doctor who spews your party line. One. The rest all have enough sense to know what’s good for them as doctors and the public as potential patients.

    “They have NOT operated with impunity, and it’s the over-regulation that has brought us to this point”

    You have yet to bring one actual regulation to my attention, let alone prove a link to how that is causing problems in the health care system. Requirements on services rendered is a piss poor example, if not outright making my point for me. If the state of NJ has laws set up to protect its residents, it is not okay for insurance companies to punish everyone with higher premiums because they are being required to do what they’re presumably advertising. Not making enough profit to satisfy the bottom line is not a reason to jack up people’s premiums. This is exactly why this industry should have remained not for profit, as it was designed and intended to be. The second you make switch to that kind of system, you kick open the door to greed, and profits trump people, every time.

    “With 1800 health insurance companies in America, the State of California only allows companies operating in the state to use six of them. SIX! That is an outrage.”

    Why is that outrageous? No one is stopping people from buying insurance on their own. No one is forcing anyone in the state to purchase insurance through their employers. If people were as outraged as you’d like them to be, they’d look for insurance on their own.

    “Your theory is full of holes because you refuse to see all of the facts. Try again.”

    My theory? I’m merely theorizing that insurance companies made a business out of something that was never intended to be to make a buck by denying people care? It’s just a theory of mine that Wendell Potter quit his job at Cigna as VP of corporate communications because people were being denied payouts on claims in order to maximize profits for the company? WellPoint suing Maine for not allowing them to raise premiums by 18.5% is a theory? Is it a theory that insurance company profits rose by 428% in the last seven years while people’s out of pocket expenses rose 93% in the last ten? My “theory” is full of holes; your head is full of holes, so why don’t YOU try again? Try giving me more reasons why the poor insurance industry is suffering at the hands of tough regulations that allow CEOs to skate off with $1.7 Billion in premium dollars. Cry me a fucking river.

  22. “Oh, and by the way, Robert–I’ll take your comments to mean that you don’t think an EMT is qualified to treat you.”

    That’s completely asinine, as I never implied, intimated, or explicitly said anything of that nature. But apparently, you needed to perceive my comments as a slight to the entire profession so you can cling to your indignation. Whatevs. Have fun with that.

    “So if I ever get called to your home, I’ll politely defer to an ALS unit and call another rescue to help you, since I’m apparently incompetent.”

    First of all, I live with a nurse that I trust with my life, so while your services are appreciated, they should really go where they’re needed. Second, I never called you incompetent. You strike me as a very competent person. Apparently, me pointing out the fact that you aren’t a doctor is enough to get you worked up to the point of defending yourself against attacks I never leveled. You know, for as thick skinned as you try to pass yourself off as, you’re incredibly sensitive. Relax, and stop taking everything to a higher level.

  23. “If the state of NJ has laws set up to protect its residents, it is not okay for insurance companies to punish everyone with higher premiums because they are being required to do what they’re presumably advertising.”

    Protecting its residents? You still didn’t answer a direct question: since when should insurance be required to cover alternative therapies? THAT is part of the issue at hand. Acupuncture, religion-based treatments, culturally-based treatments, all of those things are voluntary and no insurer should be required by law to cover these things. That is part of the reason why costs end up so high. It’s why companies doing business in California can only choose from six providers, because the law requires providers to cover EVERYTHING. You can’t even make your own point, Robert.

    “This is exactly why this industry should have remained not for profit, as it was designed and intended to be.”

    Really? Prove to me that the system was designed and intended to be not-for-profit. Every company that provides a service in this country needs to make a profit (unless they’re a charity). These companies need to employ all kinds of people for all kinds of roles. They need employees to provide customer service, help with life planning, they need money to pay rent for buildings in which these employees can work, and they need talent that can manage from the top down. How can you demand that such a business be not-for-profit? How can the company survive without being able to attract people to provide this service? None of these companies are listed as not-for-profit, and they all have to pay taxes. How are they supposed to pay those taxes to remain in business to keep providing this service?

    “Second, I never called you incompetent. You strike me as a very competent person.”

    Right. This statement made after you tell me my head is full of holes.

    “Apparently, me pointing out the fact that you aren’t a doctor is enough to get you worked up to the point of defending yourself against attacks I never leveled.”

    Keep deflecting, Robert. You accused me of a Wikipedia cut-and-paste, basically insulting my intelligence. You knew perfectly well what you were saying. And you still haven’t admitted that you might have been misinformed, which is the reason behind you turning it back around on me.

  24. “So, in your estimation, it’s better for doctors to get paid zero than to “maybe” get paid at least something? ”

    Oh so 30 cents on the dollar or 50 cents on the dollar or 90 cents on the dollar is fine when the government says that is what it will be. Yeah I guess that is better than zero. But, you are missing the point.

    Why should the government force an ER or any business to take on customers who can’t pay or won’t pay? You find that acceptable? A person’s “right” to health care trumps the financial neeeds of the hospital? Why should any person under that parameter pay any hopsital any money? If everyone did that then there wouldn’t be any hospitals.

  25. “This is exactly why this industry should have remained not for profit, as it was designed and intended to be.”

    People who think as Robert posts will never understand people like me.

    I don’t want to pay the way of other people. When I buy auto insurance, I trust my carrier to enroll safe drivers only. I am willing to share risk with safe drivers. If my carrier wishes to enroll bad drivers then I expect the carrier to charge these people higher premiums or deny them coverage because of the risk. What’s wrong with that?

    I do not have any children. Since I don’t get to enjoy making other peoples babies, I don’t believe I should have to pay to raise them.

    You make them, you pay for them. Don’t shoulder that burden on me through welfare, food stamps, free school lunch, earned income tax credit, section 8 housing, free vaccinations, and Social Security survivor benefits. If you are old enough to sex with other people then you are old enough to pay the cost of making babies from that sex.

    When I buy a consumer product or service, I want to pay a price based on what the labor is worth to make that product or provide that service in a free market. I do not want the cost of a new car bloated up so a union auto worker can have a home, a vacation home, and a luxury vacation courtesy of his union bargaining for him or her. If that auto worker thinks his or her labor is worth all of that then he or she can strike his or her own deal.

    The same goes for when people get sick, pay the doctor. Don’t make me pay your doctor bill. I’d never make you pay my doctor bill. If you can’t afford to go to the doctor then don’t go.

    All of this is so easy a 5th grader can understand it.

  26. “You still didn’t answer a direct question: since when should insurance be required to cover alternative therapies?”

    I didn’t realize that was an actual question that needed to be answered by someone who is not in a position to do so. That being said, I don’t know that NJ DOES cover all those things as basic coverage (although I’m sure you can get those things covered at an additional charge). At least, I didn’t find anything from the state’s website that said so. http://www.state.nj.us/dobi/division_insurance/ihcseh/chap20lexis_appendix.pdf

    “You can’t even make your own point, Robert.”

    Really? Because you can’t even prove yours exists…

    “Prove to me that the system was designed and intended to be not-for-profit”

    Well, considering that health insurance emerged from disability insurance, and that is largely run by the government, and the government is not for profit, one can safely conclude that the concept of insurance was never intended to be a profit machine.

    “These companies need to employ all kinds of people for all kinds of roles. They need employees to provide customer service, help with life planning, they need money to pay rent for buildings in which these employees can work, and they need talent that can manage from the top down. How can you demand that such a business be not-for-profit?”

    Based on that rant, I can only assume that you don’t know how a non profit organization works. Not making a profit doesn’t mean that everyone works for free. NPOs work essentially the same as any other business, with one huge difference: the surplus that would be considered the “profit” can’t be used to enrich stockholders or employees, it has to stay in the company and be used to grow that company. Virtually every for profit business in the country operated this way until the 1980s, when CEOs began to be compensated with stock, at which point, management stopped acting like owners with the company’s best interests in mind, and started inflating the price of the stock whichever way they saw fit, thus turning the company into a cash machine for the benefit of a few.

    “Right. This statement made after you tell me my head is full of holes.”

    Well, I never claimed that competency was hard to come by.

    “Keep deflecting, Robert. You accused me of a Wikipedia cut-and-paste, basically insulting my intelligence. You knew perfectly well what you were saying. And you still haven’t admitted that you might have been misinformed, which is the reason behind you turning it back around on me.”

    I don’t actually think you literally cut and pasted from Wikipedia, I just found you to be patronizing when you explained how diabetes works. And that’s all you did, and seeing as how I already knew the characteristics of the disease, I fail to see how I could have been misinformed.

  27. “Oh so 30 cents on the dollar or 50 cents on the dollar or 90 cents on the dollar is fine when the government says that is what it will be. Yeah I guess that is better than zero. But, you are missing the point.”

    You mean the point you’re creating? No one is saying that hospitals will get 30 cents on the dollar through single payer. This argument only arose when someone decided to posit that the government doesn’t fulfill its financial obligations, which it does, so this is all moot, based on incorrect assertions to begin with.

    “Why should the government force an ER or any business to take on customers who can’t pay or won’t pay? You find that acceptable?”

    Yes, you sociopath. We don’t let people die in this country (theoretically), it’s one of the principles that allows us to use the line ‘greatest country on earth’

    “A person’s “right” to health care trumps the financial neeeds of the hospital? ”

    Absolutely.

    “Why should any person under that parameter pay any hopsital any money?”

    Because contrary to the belief of conservatives, people do have an innate desire to honor their commitments.

    “People who think as Robert posts will never understand people like me.”

    I’m okay with that…

    “I don’t want to pay the way of other people”

    Then you should find another place to live. Because every tax dollar you pay, regardless of who is president, will inevitably find a way to pay for something that you don’t like.

    “If my carrier wishes to enroll bad drivers then I expect the carrier to charge these people higher premiums or deny them coverage because of the risk. What’s wrong with that?”

    Everything. How you managed to quantify human life is horrifying and deplorable, just as it would be if someone were to suggest that you pay a higher rate or be denied health insurance because you’re gay and more of an AIDS risk. Excluding people for having pre existing conditions is ludicrous. We used to call that discrimination. Glad to see you’re a forward thinking American…

    “The same goes for when people get sick, pay the doctor. Don’t make me pay your doctor bill. I’d never make you pay my doctor bill. If you can’t afford to go to the doctor then don’t go.
    All of this is so easy a 5th grader can understand it.”

    And yet, you cannot seem to grasp the inescapable concept that nowhere in any bill, weakened by conservatives or not, is free health care available. You don’t get to frame the debate with things that don’t actually exist. You may as well have this argument with only yourself.

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