Binge and Purge

Well…sort of.

President Obama spent money like it was going out of style during his first year in office. His first budget bill included budget issues from Bush and increased non-security federal spending by 8%. In December, just one month ago, he increased non-security spending by another 12%. The federal government is currently operating on a $1.35T deficit, the largest in US history. Today, Obama has suddenly switched horses in the middle of the stream. He’s called for a “partial freeze” of all non-security spending.

That partial freeze doesn’t stop the spending he signed for last month. The projection is that the first year they’ll save $15B. That’s just a drop in the bucket, though, considering our deficit. And the “freeze”, as I mentioned, doesn’t stop the spending he’s already signed off on, so it’s not really a true freeze.

Obama proposing a spending freeze is about like Mel Gibson swearing to check into rehab after he goes on one last bender.

The Congressional Budget office (or CBO) projected that, if the freeze holds, the deficit may fall to $480 billion. But Urkel is expected to propose a jobs bill that will cost as-yet-unannounced millions this year. According to the CBO, if the current spending level keeps up, even with this so-called freeze, the deficit could end up at $15T by 2020.

Let’s see…he expanded TARP…signed the $787B stimulus, which is still shoveling money into a neverending pit…he’s proposed raising taxes on the wealthy and big corporations, driving them to move their money elsewhere…most recently he shot our economy in the foot by lambasting the banks for turning an honest profit and promising to dissolve them, destroying thousands more jobs as he goes…this guy has managed to effectively murder the American economy, and his toothless, zombified followers just keep on following him, blandly chanting “Bush! Bush! Bush!” as they go.

Add on top of that he wants a trillion-dollar-plus healthcare reform bill signed into law, and our deficit is going to end up swallowing us whole.

He still hasn’t proposed what to do about Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, who haven’t recovered and are still hemorrhaging money. He tossed a few billion at GM/Chrysler to make the government a partial owner of the companies, but they haven’t recovered, either (Ford was the only company that didn’t take a bailout and they’re growing by leaps and bounds now). Bush tried to point out in 2003 that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were nearing the brink of dragging everyone else to hell but nobody listened. Democrats took the reins in both the House and Senate in 2004 and did BUBKIS.

So please, someone tell me, whose fault is this? There are plenty of Republicans at fault, but most of them were out of line with the rest of the party. Now we’ve got McCain going along with Democrats in a bid to dissolve the biggest banks, essentially turning them into credit unions and not allowing them to turn much profit. How is this going to work?

Binge and purge is extremely dangerous when done by those who are bulimic. The practice can sap the body of nutrients, break down muscle tissue, damage the stomach and esophogal lining, make teeth rot, and eventually kill the person doing it. This economic binge and purge is no better and will be far worse if we don’t kick these socialist cads out of office THIS YEAR.

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19 thoughts on “Binge and Purge

  1. Maybe the Obama Hopes things will Change and all of these problems will vanish? Anyway…the seditious traitors (People who vote Democrat) who elected him can’t be segregated into bearing the pain of their dubious votes. That’s too bad. We all suffer for this.

  2. Now the Obamna has retreated on his spending freeze and wants to boost the annual subsidy to the teachers unions. It’s better known as Education Funding.

    This Obama person can’t make up his mind. I don’t think he stands for anything the way he waffles back and forth. If you don’t stand for something then you’ll fall for anything.

    So America, see what happens when ACORN signs up crackheads, hookers, and welfare queens to vote? This is what you get America.

  3. “But Urkel is expected to propose a jobs bill that will cost as-yet-unannounced millions this year.”

    That seems unnecessarily rude, especially from someone who prides themselves on not making personal attacks. How would you like it if we started calling you Kathy Bates?

    “Let’s see…he expanded TARP”

    No he didn’t. We all know what expand means, right? Bush tried to fleece the American people to the tune of $700 Billion in a three page bill “explaining” his heist, with no questions asked. He was only able to get away with doling out half of it at the time. If Congress approving the other half is considered expansion, we (you) need a basic lesson in grasping simple concepts. And half is generous to your guy. He also forked over $86 Billion of our money to AIG, not to mention the $2 Trillion the Fed lent out in our name in December of ’08. So, would you like to consider an alternative word to ‘expand’?

    “signed the $787B stimulus, which is still shoveling money into a neverending pit”

    If by never ending pit, you mean a strengthening economy, then we can actually agree. You would do well to pay attention to leading economists on both sides of the aisle, who unanimously agree that the stimulus has indeed saved this country from another great depression caused by your reckless ideology.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/13/AR2010011303402_pf.html

    “he’s proposed raising taxes on the wealthy and big corporations, driving them to move their money elsewhere”

    So, letting insane tax policies that led to the disastrous deficits that you’re just now pretending to care about expire is the equivalent of raising taxes? You know, for conservatives’ tired rhetoric about lowering taxes, not one of those assholes applauded last night when the President pointed out that he has lowered taxes for 95% of the country, including slashing them on small businesses and college students. It really brings to light the fact that republicans are truly only concerned with the other 5% of the country.

    “most recently he shot our economy in the foot by lambasting the banks for turning an honest profit and promising to dissolve them, destroying thousands more jobs as he goes”

    First of all, he never threatened to dissolve any banks. Second, honest profit? Really? And do you really want to talk about destroying jobs? Because the last time I checked, the economy was hemorrhaging nearly a million jobs a month under Bush. You know what the 2000’s were called? The lost decade. That ass clown managed to turn a surplus into a deficit (along with a lost election into a win) and has the distinction of creating zero net jobs. ZERO. The only post depression president to have negative job growth. It’s astonishing the absolute tripe that you publish on this web page as if it’s truth.

    “this guy has managed to effectively murder the American economy”

    HA! Oh, wait, I’m not done holding my sides! Murder the economy, that’s rich. Read the beige book and get a clue.

    “Add on top of that he wants a trillion-dollar-plus healthcare reform bill signed into law, and our deficit is going to end up swallowing us whole.”

    First of all, the health care bill would only lower the deficit, so you’re wrong there (big surprise). And, more to the point, do you mean the deficit that was projected to be $8 Trillion before the guy walked in the door? That one? The one caused by your dimwitted president, who waged two wars without paying one red cent for either of them? Who passed two tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans at a cost of $1.8 Trillion, that one? Or how about Medicare Part D? I could go on bustin you up all night. And speaking of your feigned concern for the deficit, perhaps you can explain why today, all 40 members of the fiscally conservative party in the Senate voted against PAYGO, which is famous for its deficit lowering abilities.

    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/78533-senate-passes-paygo-rule-in-party-lines-vote

    Here is your party’s record concerning fiscal responsibility:

    http://majorityleader.gov/docUploads/GOPFiscalResponsibility012710.pdf

    So, as we all see, you have zero credibility when it comes to criticizing Democrats in this (or any other) area, so quit posting this drivel because I can guarantee you that when the time comes for your party to get back into the White House (which hopefully won’t be in my lifetime), you’ll forget all about your bitching about deficits while they skyrocket on things that aren’t paid for.

    “He tossed a few billion at GM/Chrysler to make the government a partial owner of the companies, but they haven’t recovered, either ”

    Is that why GM has stated publicly that all borrowed money will be paid in full this year?

    “Bush tried to point out in 2003 that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were nearing the brink of dragging everyone else to hell but nobody listened”

    You and Steve, I swear. How many times do I need to debunk this bullshit?

    That was from 2002 (October and May, respectively). Now either this guy is schizophrenic, or he just up and decided to change his mind less than a year after boasting of the FMs easing of lending standards AT HIS REQUEST. It seems to me like he was playing both sides of the issue.

    “So please, someone tell me, whose fault is this”

    Ronald Reagan, George W. Bush, and Bill Clinton.

    “There are plenty of Republicans at fault, but most of them were out of line with the rest of the party.”

    I think we all know that there is no such thing as a Republican out of line with the rest of the party.

    Thank you for making me sift through all that nonsense to get actual truth to people. I keep waiting for two posts that I know are never coming. It would be nice to read something on the tragic Supreme Court ruling last week instead of something that happened 70 years ago in a different country. It strikes me as a bit odd that this huge decision (that is so far reaching that most average people don’t even comprehend) has yet to even show up in a real way in the corporate media (you know, those liberal scoundrels). My guess is they know there’s money to be made here, so best keep quiet. Also interestingly absent from these pages is the subject of many a right wing blog mere months ago, James O’Keefe. You know, your hero who illegally intercepted communications at an ACORN office who has now been busted for breaking into the office of Senator Mary Landrieu? I told you back then that this douche was a fucking criminal, and now he’s facing felony charges. I wonder why you’ve failed to mention that. Could it be because it only showed up for two minutes (in the middle of the day) on FOX “News”, who couldn’t play his previous videos enough? Even the idiots in the minority party saw fit to draft a resolution for to honor him for his “courageous reporting”. Just like a con to honor a criminal. No wonder Oliver North walked and G. Gordon Liddy landed on talk radio…

  4. “So America, see what happens when ACORN signs up crackheads, hookers, and welfare queens to vote? This is what you get America.”

    I’m wondering if you talk like this to actual people. Something tells me that if you voiced this twisted opinion to the wrong (or right, depending on how I choose to look at it) person, you’d get your ass kicked more than you may currently already do…

  5. “Bush tried to fleece the American people to the tune of $700 Billion in a three page bill “explaining” his heist, with no questions asked.”

    “the economy was hemorrhaging nearly a million jobs a month under Bush.”

    I am currently writing another smashing article detailing this quite well, but in summary, I’d like to say that I plan on using the B.I.O.B. (Blame it on Bush) for every failure in my life. Every time I am late for work, if I don’t feel like paying my bills, or if I don’t feel like helping a little old lady across the street, I can just B.I.O.B.

    Here’s the difference between liberals and conservatives.

    Conservatives see the RINO decisions Bush made (especially with TARP). There were many.

    Liberals can see them as well.

    We all agree.

    Conservatives know that the liberal-Democrats support any kind of crazy spending and raising taxes no matter what our state of economy is in. They also know that we don’t want candidates like that.

    Liberals use it to do anything they want. Even if it means spending more money in one single year than Bush ever did.

    I am happy Obama is enraging a few liberals by promoting a spending freeze. However; it’s no different than a young adult maxing out their credit cards at $50K and THEN decide “I propose a spending freeze!” Obama’s already maxed everything out!

    “You know, for conservatives’ tired rhetoric about lowering taxes, not one of those assholes applauded last night when the President pointed out that he has lowered taxes for 95% of the country”

    First, I am happy you’re admitting that you are so insane, that any tax cut (guaranteed by folks in the Constitution via that “freedom and liberty” bit) should be deemed as heroic. But, let me dispell that myth. First, people responsible for 3% of what is retained by the Treasury every year did get an extra 15.00 in their checks. However; at the turn of the new year, those taxes changed immediately. What Obambi forgot to do was to have the code written last year in such a way that it would account for folks with working spouses. So now, a lot of those that got their taxes “cut” now have balances due on their tax returns OR aren’t getting good refunds.

    “You and Steve, I swear. How many times do I need to debunk this bullshit?”

    And watch Ann Coulter knock Julie Menin over the head with this:

    And here is eight minutes of facts from Republicans trying to get Democrats to take these failed lending practices seriously:

    Stupid MAXINE WATERS: “Mr. Chairman, WE DO NOT HAVE A CRISIS AT FREDDIE MAC!” brushing the Republicans aside as Ann Coulter stated.

    Heading these committees were Barney Frank (who will lose his seat this year) and Chris Dodd WHO KNOWS HIMSELF HE HELPED TO CAUSE THIS and is not even attempting to re-run.

    This is also a relevant video while we are on this topic to explain the intentions of liberals but the logic they lack:

    Moral Hazard: Tell us Robert that is was conservatives that told these lenders to lend money stupidly:

    Moral Hazard = Lower Standards = Taxpayer Bail Outs

    This ideology smells of rotten government. Not one conservative supports any government agency backing or securing lenders.

    So take that pile elsewhere, because Americans don’t believe you anymore. Your President isn’t even fooling them anymore….

    Finally, I am sick to my stomach over Obama (don’t forget folks, big government RINOs and Liberals wanted to control the student loan industry, too!) forgiving student loan balances after 10 years of payments for someone if they choose a career in public service, yet he extends it to 20 years for people who work in the free market?

    WHAT!? The people in the private sector are the ones creating the income that leads to the tax!

    Absolute proof that some theorists who say that Obama’s government is to literally make ALL Americans more and more and more dependent on the Government may not be all that extreme.

    I am ahead on my loan payments…I have omitted vacations, worked overtime, and use coupons.

    If I can do it, so can others.

    This President thrives on the lazy and unmotivated but thankfully a revolution is on its way in November. 🙂

  6. “you’d get your ass kicked more than you may currently already do…”

    Nah, they cannot even walk to the polls by themselves, they need ACORN vans to pick them up. You think they can defeat a gun-carrying right-winger?

    LOL……..

  7. Oh, now I see a “you’re racist” comment coming.

    But thankfully for Chris Matthews and Harry Reid, we won’t have to worry about a liberal credibly accusing us of racism for a while now.

    Just like when they blame everything on Bush, it’s just background noise.

  8. Obama has every intention to destroy the U.S. economy but he has to do it with our agreement. That is why he needs Republicans to vote with the Dems on his programs.

    The Republican side realizes this and have been very smart to make sure they do not become a part of this travesty.

    Nor will I or many other people no matter how Obama tries to reel us in.

    Obama could go out and find me a life partner, marry us, bring us to the WH for a honeymoon, cook us breakfast in the morning…and I would still know that he was just doing it for one more vote to help him destroy our country and our future….so Obama’s policy gets a NO vote from me, even after I got all of the perks he could possibly offer a gay person.

    A soul has value. Voting should reflect our soul.

  9. “I’m wondering if you talk like this to actual people. Something tells me that if you voiced this twisted opinion to the wrong (or right, depending on how I choose to look at it) person, you’d get your ass kicked more than you may currently already do…”

    Get my ass kicked? Never. I am big guy. Most people are too afarid to try.

  10. “If by never ending pit, you mean a strengthening economy, then we can actually agree. You would do well to pay attention to leading economists on both sides of the aisle, who unanimously agree that the stimulus has indeed saved this country from another great depression caused by your reckless ideology.”

    You seem to forget Robert the tipping point of this downturn was started by people who felt entitled to own a home they can’t afford, sign loan papers without reading them or understanding them, and then cry help me when it all blew up.

    I did not see bankers, real estate agents, and mortgage brokers holding people at gun or knife point and making them buy homes they can’t afford. I saw none of that.

    You seem to embrace these battered homeowners as victims. You refuse to assign one ounce of culpability to any of them. But you sure think every single one of us had to open or wallets and bail them all out.

  11. “I’d like to say that I plan on using the B.I.O.B. (Blame it on Bush) for every failure in my life. Every time I am late for work, if I don’t feel like paying my bills, or if I don’t feel like helping a little old lady across the street, I can just B.I.O.B.”

    Oh, shut UP. Just shut up with this garbage. Your poster boy Reagan blamed Carter for everything under the sun for over two years, but again, it’s only a problem when the guy has a D after his name, right? And Obama and every liberal that says those words are 100% justified in doing so, because every single terrible thing that has happened in this country in the last decade was a result of that idiot’s idiocy. And the only reason you keep getting pissed every time you hear it is because you know it’s true. You guys were wrong about everything for eight whole years. If you ask me, Obama didn’t blame Bush enough. What conservatives fail to understand (besides economics, laws, and decency) is that in order to know where you’re going, you have to know where you’ve been. This is why conservatives always repeat their mistakes, because they can’t even acknowledge when they make them.

    “Here’s the difference between liberals and conservatives.”

    Liberals can actually govern. Conservatives, on the other hand, fuck everything up every time they get into office. Deficits only get worse under cons. Government only gets bigger under cons. And oddly enough, abortions go up under cons (as do suicides). Go pro lifers!

    “Liberals use it to do anything they want. Even if it means spending more money in one single year than Bush ever did.”

    That has never been the case. The only reason you freaks have been able to claim that Obama jacked up the deficit was because he stopped hiding the cost of the tax cuts and the wars that your idiot started from the American people. Isn’t it amazing that once you stop sweeping things under the rug, they become visible to the naked eye?

    “I am happy Obama is enraging a few liberals by promoting a spending freeze. However; it’s no different than a young adult maxing out their credit cards at $50K and THEN decide “I propose a spending freeze!” Obama’s already maxed everything out!”

    It’s funny that you mention that, because you sat completely silent for eight years while Bush racked up the deficit, albeit invisibly (see above), with two unpaid wars and ridiculous tax cuts. Now, out of the blue you phonies come out of the woodwork to pretend to give a damn about deficits. It’s really quite astonishing…

    “First, I am happy you’re admitting that you are so insane, that any tax cut (guaranteed by folks in the Constitution via that “freedom and liberty” bit) should be deemed as heroic. But, let me dispell that myth.”

    Go for it. First, I never argued that, and second, I didn’t agree with making 40% of the stimulus tax cuts. I only mentioned it because it was in the bill to garner Republican support, and since a main part of the party platform is lowering taxes, it would logically elicit an applause. Partisan douchebaggery prevented them for celebrating their own idiotic ideology.

    “This ideology smells of rotten government. Not one conservative supports any government agency backing or securing lenders.”

    Maybe you aren’t a conservative then, because conservatives go wherever the money is, regardless of what ideology says. They have no principles, just an idolatry of money.

    “So take that pile elsewhere, because Americans don’t believe you anymore. Your President isn’t even fooling them anymore….”

    You try so hard, and God love you for it.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2010/01/27/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry6149049.shtml

    “WHAT!? The people in the private sector are the ones creating the income that leads to the tax!”

    And? Government is the one creating the conditions in which the private sector is allowed to even exist. What’s your point?

    “Finally, I am sick to my stomach over Obama”

    You don’t know how happy that makes me. That means he’s doing his job right. Are conservatives being whiny little bitches? Check.

  12. “Obama has every intention to destroy the U.S. economy but he has to do it with our agreement. That is why he needs Republicans to vote with the Dems on his programs.”

    Do you even know what you’re saying? Give me a reason to believe that assertion please. For instance, I can make the exact same claim about conservatives and the economy. But, unlike yourself, I have statistics and proof to back me up. Conservatives love to tank the economy because they can then point to it and say “see, government doesn’t work.” Deficits and recessions are things that rest mainly on the right of the political spectrum. Ever heard of starving the beast? Look up a guy named Jude Waninski and see his theories that have been put into practice for the last thirty years. The two Santa Claus one should capture your attention. Conservatives love high unemployment because it sends the price of labor through the floor for their corporate buddies. Likewise, layoffs always translates into increases of stock prices.

  13. “You seem to forget Robert the tipping point of this downturn was started by people who felt entitled to own a home they can’t afford, sign loan papers without reading them or understanding them, and then cry help me when it all blew up.”

    Well, that is of course wrong. Thank you though for getting into the heads of people you’ve never met to assign to them a motive that you pulled out of your ass. I, on the other hand, can point to the banks’ actual culpability in how they bundled bad mortgages with good mortgages and sold them as mortgage backed securities all over the world. I particularly like the cabbage analogy. If I’m making coleslaw and I shred up a fresh head of cabbage and then a head of cabbage infected with E. Coli and mix them both together with my carrots and raisins and hand out several servings of coleslaw, guess what? They’re all tainted with E. Coli, and it would be impossible to separate the infected cabbage from the good cabbage once it’s in a serving of coleslaw. These mortgage backed securities were the colelsaw. Once they were out of the bank’s hands, the disease only spread.

    “I did not see bankers, real estate agents, and mortgage brokers holding people at gun or knife point and making them buy homes they can’t afford. I saw none of that.”

    I wonder if you saw Bush order the Fed to drop the interest rate to near zero, explicitly to get people to run out and buy homes while the getting was good. No? You probably also didn’t see the fact that the banks were not holding these mortgages, they were turning around and short selling them. They were also getting rating agencies to rate these sub prime mortgages AAA, which seems odd that while they were short selling them (betting they would lose value), they were also assuring the buyers of these mortgages that they were stellar assets. Seems like a conflict is there somewhere, right? I’m sorry, you were blaming the victim? Do go on.

    “You seem to embrace these battered homeowners as victims. You refuse to assign one ounce of culpability to any of them. But you sure think every single one of us had to open or wallets and bail them all out.”

    Homeowners weren’t out begging for sub prime mortgages when 40% of them qualified for prime loans. Homeowners weren’t persuading rating agencies to rate said sub prime loans AAA, and they weren’t getting the banks to pawn their mortgages off on someone else. The entire basis for your argument is no one should have bought a house between 2002-2008. That’s dumb, John, and I’m quite certain you know it is. Continue to blame those with the smallest role in this if you will, but anyone who bothers to weed out the facts (none of which were reported by the corporate media, so it takes a little longer) know better.

  14. “That seems unnecessarily rude, especially from someone who prides themselves on not making personal attacks. How would you like it if we started calling you Kathy Bates?”

    I never said I don’t engage in personal attacks, I just said it is never the first thing I jump to. I always use logic first; when a person proves themselves incapable of being civil, I may, to a degree, give up. Besides…calling him “Urkel” is a reference to the characters tagline: “did I do that?” You calling me Kathy Bates is just a dig at my outward appearance. Since you’ve called our leader a Nazi you can kiss my ass.

    “If Congress approving the other half is considered expansion, we (you) need a basic lesson in grasping simple concepts.”

    Congress was Democrat-controlled at the time the other half was handed out, and I have many, MANY times stated that I wasn’t keen on the bailouts to begin with. By forking over the rest of the money the Democrats were making the situation worse.

    “If by never ending pit, you mean a strengthening economy, then we can actually agree.”

    How has that garbage strengthened our economy? It only created 2 million jobs, and we’ve lost 3 million since Obama took office. The vast majority of the jobs created were labor jobs, such as construction and infrastructure, they aren’t permanent, and some of them are going to people not in this country legally (go ahead, call me a racist, we all know you’re thinking it). The City of Phoenix is about to lay off 350 police officers and 100 firefighters and we’re not the only city dealing with that kind of situation, but that stimulus is working great, buddy!

    “You know, for conservatives’ tired rhetoric about lowering taxes, not one of those assholes applauded last night when the President pointed out that he has lowered taxes for 95% of the country, including slashing them on small businesses and college students.”

    It’s fantastic that he lowered those taxes, but by raising taxes (and proposing even higher taxes) on the wealthy and large corporations, he’s driving those entities to go elsewhere. Big corporations are outsourcing more than ever right now because of those costs; we have the second-highest corporate tax in the world. Do you think that plays absolutely no role in this crisis? What is wrong with offering tax credits to corporations who bring those jobs back to the US? Or are you convinced that corporations are evil through and through?

    “First of all, he never threatened to dissolve any banks.”

    Horseshit. He and several Democrats–and McCain has jumped on this bandwagon–have proposed breaking up all the largest banks to stop all banks from being involved in any investing. McCain is co-sponsoring a bill with a Democrat whose name escapes me that would do exactly that, and Obama supports it.

    “Because the last time I checked, the economy was hemorrhaging nearly a million jobs a month under Bush.”

    You need to stop reading DailyKOS. Americans lost a lot of jobs, but we were NOT losing a million jobs a month. It hasn’t even been that bad under Obama, so knock off the hysterics.

    “First of all, the health care bill would only lower the deficit, so you’re wrong there (big surprise).”

    Are you high? Obama said the same damn thing during the SOTU. How in the name of Mohammed and all the Caliphs do you idiot liberals come away with the belief that enacting sweeping healthcare reform that would create a “government option” or, even worse, a single-payer system, would do anything but cost a ton of money? Please, explain this, because I’m having a really hard time understanding how you can get away with blasting Bush for enacting more Medicare coverage while you talk about universal healthcare.

    “I keep waiting for two posts that I know are never coming.”

    Oh, and you have ESP? Steve is in the middle of tax season, and both of my jobs are keeping me busier’n a one-legged man in an ass-kickin’ contest. With fraud getting bigger and no new hiring going on coupled with the fire department I work for badly needing bodies that they can’t afford to pay for, I’m blogging as fast as I can. Come off it.

    As for that crack about the Supreme Court decision being more important than “something that happened 70 years ago in another country”…it was partially our complacency and Europe’s appeasement that let the Holocaust happen. You’re a first-rate jackass, Robert.

  15. “Since you’ve called our leader a Nazi you can kiss my ass.”

    What leader is that? I don’t recall labeling anyone a nazi.

    “Congress was Democrat-controlled at the time the other half was handed out, and I have many, MANY times stated that I wasn’t keen on the bailouts to begin with”

    I understand you didn’t like the bailouts, Mel. No one did. Except Wall Street. And a democratically controlled congress doesn’t explain your accusations of expansion.

    “By forking over the rest of the money the Democrats were making the situation worse.”

    Again, how is that Obama expanding anything? When TARP first passed, it was for $700 Billion. the only stipulation was that only half would go out, and then the other half if it was deemed necessary. Now, we can both agree that Obama should have vetoed it (was the majority veto proof?), but you saying he expanded it makes it seem like he decided to give another few hundred billion on top of the 700 that was already authorized.

    “How has that garbage strengthened our economy?”

    I’m not sure whether this is extreme partisanship or willful naiveté, but we just got an economic report yesterday that showed a 6.3% growth in GDP, which was double the amount that was expected. That makes two consecutive quarters of growth, which signals the end of a recession. I’ll keep my fingers crossed on that one, but every economic indicator (with the unfortunate exception of the one that matters most, jobs, because that’s always the last to come around) points to recovery. Why you choose to ignore this gives me insight to what really concerns conservatives. They absolutely hate that the economy is doing better. They want things to be worse for the American people so they’ll be angry and vote back into power the very ideals that caused this mess.

    “It only created 2 million jobs, and we’ve lost 3 million since Obama took office.”

    Which tells me that the hemorrhaging has been severely mitigated.

    “The vast majority of the jobs created were labor jobs, such as construction and infrastructure, they aren’t permanent”

    That’s how investment in infrastructure works. You are incredibly short sighted, because you fail to take into account all the commerce that will take place as a result of said infrastructure. Do you really think roads and bridges just lie there without use?

    “The City of Phoenix is about to lay off 350 police officers and 100 firefighters and we’re not the only city dealing with that kind of situation, but that stimulus is working great, buddy!”

    The state of Arizona (and the city of Phoenix in particular) is facing the worst budget deficit in the nation, even worse than California. But generally speaking, the stimulus went directly to help police, firefighters, and yes, EMTs keep their jobs. Perhaps now you’ll agree that almost half the stimulus should never have gone to tax cuts…

    “It’s fantastic that he lowered those taxes, but by raising taxes (and proposing even higher taxes) on the wealthy and large corporations, he’s driving those entities to go elsewhere”

    Come on, there is absolutely no correlation between a higher corporate tax and vanishing jobs. We’ve been over this, several times. As long as labor is cheaper in other countries, corporate America will move elsewhere. I can’t seem to get any conservative on board with raising tariffs to nullify any incentive to outsource labor. What you’re pushing is a myth at best and a lie at worst, manufactured to make people like you take such an improbable position in defense of those who would gladly see most jobs go wherever it will line their pockets the most.

    “Do you think that plays absolutely no role in this crisis?”

    Yes. Oregon just voted to raise their corporate tax rate from $10 per year (yes, you read that correctly) to $150 per year. Do you really think businesses will start leaving Oregon in droves?

    “What is wrong with offering tax credits to corporations who bring those jobs back to the US?”

    They won’t do it. There’s no way that the tax credit would equal or surpass the price of labor they are allowed to exploit. What is wrong with raising tariffs on imports to keep jobs in the US? It’s practically free to import stuff from China, yet they hit us with a 20% tariff the second our stuff reaches their border. How does this make sense? How the fuck are we supposed to work towards erasing our trade deficit with insane policies like the ones we have?

    “You need to stop reading DailyKOS”

    Daily Kos, please. You mean I need to stop paying attention to the Department of Labor statistics?:

    http://stats.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2009/03/art2full.pdf

    “Americans lost a lot of jobs, but we were NOT losing a million jobs a month.”

    I didn’t say a million, I said NEARLY a million, which 700,000 qualifies in that neighborhood.

    “It hasn’t even been that bad under Obama, so knock off the hysterics”

    That’s exactly my point. It has NOT been that bad under Obama. We’re still losing a LOT of jobs, but nowhere near the end of Bush’s reign of terror. November was as well as you can expect in these conditions (11,000 jobs lost). We need to get back to that, and I think we can if we implement some of the President’s initiatives.

    “Are you high? Obama said the same damn thing during the SOTU. How in the name of Mohammed and all the Caliphs do you idiot liberals come away with the belief that enacting sweeping healthcare reform that would create a “government option” or, even worse, a single-payer system, would do anything but cost a ton of money?”

    Us idiotic liberals like using substantive sources, like, oh, I don’t know, the CBO:

    http://wbztv.com/national/health.care.reform.2.1235129.html

    http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2009/10/07/CBO-Baucus-health-bill-lowers-deficit/UPI-35321254950125/

    http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/10/21/health.care.cbo/index.html?iref=mpstoryview

    http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=3021

    Genius conservatives, on the other, trust FOX News to do their thinking for them. If you look through those estimates, they lower the deficit by lower numbers each time the bill was weakened by conservatives. The scary socialist public option would have lowered the deficit the most. But, hey, we can’t expect you guys to follow through on your stated desires to lower the deficit…

    “Please, explain this, because I’m having a really hard time understanding how you can get away with blasting Bush for enacting more Medicare coverage while you talk about universal healthcare.”

    First, I need to correct you on two things. Nowhere in any bill (unfortunately) has universal coverage been suggested or offered. And Bush did not enact more Medicare coverage, he gave your and my money to private insurance who offered coverage called Medicare Advantage. NOT AT ALL the same as Medicare. Oh, sure, it covered exactly the same things that Medicare covered, but under Bush, we got to pay for it twice. You know how during the debate on health care, conservatives made a big stink about cuts in Medicare coverage (I know, after working so hard against its passage, and subsequent attempts to de-fund it, they all of a sudden cared about seniors on Medicare), it was this stinking embodiment of a handout that was really on the chopping block. Why on earth, pray tell, should private insurance be subsidized with our money?

    “both of my jobs are keeping me busier’n a one-legged man in an ass-kickin’ contest. ”

    I’ve not heard that term before. That’s actually pretty funny…

    “As for that crack about the Supreme Court decision being more important than “something that happened 70 years ago in another country”…it was partially our complacency and Europe’s appeasement that let the Holocaust happen”

    Well, forgive me for not appreciating the history lesson. I foolishly assumed this blog would consist of current events.

    “You’re a first-rate jackass, Robert.”

    You’re breakin my heart there, Kathy…

  16. “Oh, shut UP. Just shut up with this garbage. Your poster boy Reagan blamed Carter for everything under the sun for over two years, but again, it’s only a problem when the guy has a D after his name, right?”

    Actually not…at Reagan’s inauguration, he managed to say MANY nice things about Jimmy Carter as the next conservative President elect will say about Barack Obama. Barack Obama made a slight mention of Bush at his, and liberals still booed…..nobody booed Carter at Reagan’s. That’s the credit to my side, Robert. The optimism of Barack Obama was not the result of liberalism, don’t you get that! It took independents who hoped a man who spoke so eloquently was not on some secret agenda to socialize this country, one who promised transparency, ones who believed Bush screwed up the economy…..but they know now, Rush wasn’t lying, economists alike and investors knew where it was heading…which is why nobody is investing, nobody is hiring, and nobody is loaning money.

    You’ve taken Bush and turned his worst mistakes – MISTAKES THAT MEL, I, AND MANY OTHER CONSERVATIVES ADMIT ABOUT SOME ASPECTS OF HIS SPENDING, LIKE THE BAILOUT – as an excuse for Pelosi and Reid on Obama’s express to magnify those errors 100 times over.

    “Liberals can actually govern. Conservatives, on the other hand, fuck everything up every time they get into office.”

    No, conservatives attempt to move the country back to the center on economic issues. If you’re broke Robert, you stop borrowing and spending. It doesn’t take a genius to understand that. Since FDR, liberals like yourself — under the guise of “helping” — have attempted to condition Americans into believing that they cannot make it without the government. The people are damning that ideology by screaming back “hell no! the government is ours!” We own them, and we always will whether you like it or not — and if they don’t speak on the majority’s behalf, they leave. Term limits on Senators, Congressman, etc. These are public seats for the people and they should not be occupied for 40 years by one person.

    Your liberals who can “actually govern” have lost all approval of Americans, they couldn’t ram a healthcare bill through with a super majority, they are freezing spending right now and annoying the radical left….Obama hasn’t shut down Gitmo within the year he promised….he hasn’t held the Health Care debates on CSPAN….

    At this point, he could pick up a couple points in the polls if he takes another family portrait or buys another dog and takes another three months to name it.

    “Isn’t it amazing that once you stop sweeping things under the rug, they become visible to the naked eye?”

    Hey, psycho (said in my best Adam Sandler voice ala the Wedding Singer), we’ve admitted the things we were angry at Bush for. The wars were necessary and your President IS STILL THERE killing off more of our military per month than Bush did, causing more chaos in Afghanistan all while pretending to be the one who “ends the war” in Iraq only after Bush (and our brilliant military) left it to him virtually won already — where in Baghdad, a person can statistically walk safer on its streets than they now can in Chicago.

    As for TARP, No Child Left Behind, etc….Bush’s WORST spending policies and mistakes….all were campaigned heavy for by Edward Kennedy AND every liberal voted to go to war in Iraq and now pretend to be against it. THOSE are the facts….

    So now let’s hear the excuses…they get more fun every time.

    “It’s funny that you mention that, because you sat completely silent for eight years while Bush racked up the deficit”

    It’s funny you answered my point about liberals using Bush to spend as much as they want — WITH CONFIRMING IT BY ATTACKING BUSH! You liberals are too much.

    Robert, our nation was at risk….we did it, we won. Now YOUR President has made a much bigger mess in Afghanistan, has made us less safe, presided over two on-soil terrorist attacks in one little year, and couldn’t care less about it.

    He tried appeasing you crazies by bringing KSM to NYC and enraging all the normal folks screaming in opposition (ahem, and voting for Scott Brown). Now it turns out, he’s going against that! HE WAS WRONG…and you won’t admit it.

    And closing Gitmo was even better. Even though he hasn’t done it (yet?), their proposal was to move the prisoners to an Illinois prison.

    We know at Gitmo the average detainee has gained 40 pounds, we know they cannot be awaken for interrogation, we know they eat well, have time for religious activity, and recreation.

    So, what’s going to be different in Illinois?

    I can see the PR Campaign now:

    “Gitmo, now with two convenient locations to serve you!”

    “I only mentioned it because it was in the bill to garner Republican support, and since a main part of the party platform is lowering taxes, it would logically elicit an applause.”

    But he lied. And he’s doing it now. Would you accept an offer from a creditor which states “Robert, I will lower your interest now, but in three years, your balance will be even higher, your interest rate is going to triple, and your children and grandchildren will still be paying on your account!”

    That’s precisely what he is doing now. As the rich get less rich and as the poor get poorer, there is NOBODY (unless you’re a government worker guaranteed a pension) to turn to other than the middle class. He has given them $15.00 in their checks per week (which wasn’t much to begin with) and those tax rates have already gone back up because the code did not account for working spouses. Now people will owe on their taxes. But for every person who got $15.00 a week in the present, he spent four times that amount of debt that those same people will pay back.

    Conservatism understands you cannot fix these problems quickly. You lower taxes all across the board, you allow business owners and investors to keep their own money to hire and provide opportunity. When more people are earning money, more REASONABLE tax is paid in because everyone is working! Eventually, the deficit lowers, we keep more of our money, the economy thrives with the backbone and wisdom of strong Americans who will be the reason this country survives – NOT because of Barack Obama.

    “Maybe you aren’t a conservative then, because conservatives go wherever the money is, regardless of what ideology says. They have no principles, just an idolatry of money.”

    Well that’s what we’re talking about, isn’t it? So a tax-and-spend fella like you only regards money when it’s being robbed from employers and investors through an avenue called “taxation?” But because some of us want to keep more of what is ours and want other Americans to keep what is theirs means we have no principles? HUH!?

    Are you seriously citing a poll from Couric’s employer? In any case, saying that you generally approve of the President’s speech is one thing, they could have liked his smile, they could have liked what he said about both parties working together, maybe they thought he’d encourage Pelosi and Reid to come off of their lunatic left-wing fringe…who knows?

    But, I use a much-less biased source called Gallup. Let’s examine the “issues” separately, Robbie……

    Obama insulted the Supreme Court for the first time in history at a State of the Union over its decision to overturn McCain Feingold….the “people” don’t agree with him as 57% of Americans agree with the Supreme Court’s decision and says that “money contributed is a form of free speech!”

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/125333/Public-Agrees-Court-Campaign-Money-Free-Speech.aspx

    Your CBS poll has 83% approving of his speech, yet the latest Gallup poll (days after his speech where it has taken full affect) has his approval rating at 47% and more importantly his DISAPPROVAL at 47% as well. (Notice I am not citing other polls where it looks much worse)

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx

    Congress approval rating at 21%

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/123491/Approval-Congress-Falls-21-Driven-Democrats.aspx

    Speaking of your “CBS Poll” — the public overwhelmingly say that the media has done a fair-to-poor job as Government’s watchdog with the Obama administration, 64% of Americans agree:

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/125399/News-Media-Tepid-Ratings-Obama-Watchdog.aspx

    Majority of Americans are not backing Obamacare:

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/124715/Majority-Americans-Not-Backing-Healthcare-Bill.aspx

    Majority of Americans do not think its the Governments place for health care:

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/124253/Say-Health-Coverage-Not-Gov-Responsibility.aspx

    So, when you break it down by issues Robert, you see why Brown was elected. Objective evidence shows that the media cannot be trusted with polls, they cannot be trusted to present this data objectively, and Obamacare is dead in the eyes of Americans voting in November.

    “And? Government is the one creating the conditions in which the private sector is allowed to even exist. What’s your point?”

    No they don’t! At one time, the “government” with the founding fathers provided a document for all of us to live by. As a result, THE PEOPLE have created a place for Barbara Boxer to have a place to sit at our expense everyday. That sentence in and of itself is enough for anybody to see that it is not Americans you believe in, it’s the government. Fine! Take that position, just quit trying to convince us that you care about poor people.

    “You don’t know how happy that makes me. That means he’s doing his job right. Are conservatives being whiny little bitches? Check.”

    LOL after saying: “Oh, shut UP. Just shut up with this garbage.”

    You know, while you had a super majority, you guys could have had a lot more “fun” than you did. Thankfully for the state of the country, that has ended and now, it’s going to hit you like a mack truck in November….

    Hey, if all else fails Robert — just “BIOB!”

  17. “Mel. No one did. Except Wall Street. And a democratically controlled congress doesn’t explain your accusations of expansion.”

    Oh the hell it doesn’t! I provided proof of Republicans warning your Democrats during those last two years of Bush about the sub prime loans. Liberals transcended Bush’s and Republicans’ messages of the importance of “home ownership” to the “importance of sub-prime loans.”

    And stop leaving it up to conservatives to defend Wall Street. Some dumb folks on Main Street made Wall Street rich by purchasing homes they couldn’t afford blessed by Chris Dodd and Barney Frank. Then, Dodd and Frank (who will not be re-elected or not be running altogether this year) suddenly pretend its “Main Street” they care about after sleeping with Wall Street for years.

    We believe in the free market system. That free market system — which had no choice but to exist in a world with government entities like Fannie and Freddie — was able to rob Main Street BECAUSE of liberal government.

    That doesn’t mean you trash the free market system, it means you get rid of the government’s intervention.

    All of us were screaming against TARP, while Bush and McCain supported it, all the Republicans in the House were fighting it. All of Bush’s base, the voters, and pundits screamed against it!

    Those companies should have failed — thus getting to my next point on liberalism’s poison. IF those companies would have went bankrupt, more Americans would have had a more VIVID picture of the failures of liberal policies. Bush “bailing out” Wall Street did not merely save the asses of a few Wall Street executives, it saved THE ENTIRE PLATFORM of the Democratic party as we knew it!

    “but we just got an economic report yesterday that showed a 6.3% growth in GDP, which was double the amount that was expected.”

    The key words being “that was expected” — yet unemployment is 3 points higher than expected — even after the 4th quarter.

    First, “what was expected” was crap. Nothing. Okay, maybe a .5% jump….when you say “four times more”, then what we must focus on is the multiplier. Just how did that “jump” compare to Bush’s years of 3rd and 4th quarters?

    Moreover; what economists aren’t acknowledging (and dammit, THIS IS THE BEAUTY OF AMERICA and its people), is the fact that consumer borrowing dropped DRAMATICALLY in 2009….not just because some banks weren’t lending, but more because people stopped using credit cards, they stopped taking cash advances against their credit cards…people INDIVIDUALLY became conservatives without even knowing it. So, naturally, they saved thousands in interest expense and finance charges….so, thankfully, they had a little cash to spend at Christmas time. This is that economic evolution I discussed with you before. NAFTA (response to disastrous unions), No Child Left Behind (response to Teachers Unions), all proved the disaster of Clinton’s “surplus on paper” that had not told Americans at the time that the surplus would be fading very quickly….even if Gore were President. Americans responded to big government’s back-scratching with unions (which was another plus from the health care mess — it reminded Americans why we hate unions) and many auto makers lost their jobs.

    When faced with crisis (I.E. Americans becoming wise and understanding the power of choices), the greedy gradually become more willing to negotiate, consumers become empowered, and whenever that relationship has the scales tipped one way — the other side responds which is why the market is magnificient when one sits back and watches the natural effects it takes when we are allowed to be Americans and make our choices guaranteed to us by the Constitution. Your assertion that it was a stimulus or a stupid waste of trillions of dollars is not factually proven nor do the articles written on that measurement suggest such.

    “There’s no way that the tax credit would equal or surpass the price of labor they are allowed to exploit.”

    So then what is your suggestion? Of course your claim of “exploit” is preposterous, so then with a tax hike, laborers are paid less and consumers pay more.

    Again, if government would just get out, American workers could decide for themselves what they are willing to put up with when MORE COMPANIES are allowed to compete with others.

    You know organizational behavior classes in college mention nothing of government intrustion or labor statistics which you thrive on. We hear about corporate motivation, from the owner of Ikea creating an unstoppable work force, to why other companies fail to produce motivated employees.

    Organizational behavior in and of itself explores the market, creates benchmarks, and the more government is out of those aspects, the more choices workers have AND consumers have.

    “That’s exactly my point. It has NOT been that bad under Obama. We’re still losing a LOT of jobs, but nowhere near the end of Bush’s reign of terror.”

    Nonsense, unemployment was at 7%, then it moved to 8% EXACTLY AFTER Obama was elected because market confidence dropped. Then it skyrocketed to 10% under Obama….the largest single year increase under a President in years. Through the vast exploitation of private industry, the government has frightened all investors and innovators away. Under Bush (before Democrats took over in 2006), unemployment sat at 5% for MOST of his tenure. When liberals come in, all market confidence drops….

    Sadly, McCain (working with Kennedy and Feingold) and Bush’s supporting of these “middle of the road” measures left Americans with nothing to believe in. So they decided to give Democrats a try, in 2006 (miraculously when everything began to sink after that midterm) and again in 2008.

    Calling Bush’s presidency a “reign of terror” is precisely why you and Obambi himself are so hypersensitive to criticism of his horrible administration full of cronies and tax cheats.

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