Daily News Shots, 03/17/2010

With my apologies for the absence of the last couple of days…

Hell has frozen over. Al Sharpton is begging the black community to have patience with the government and the percieved lack of action on Obama’s part to help black communities all over the country. Many black organizations have become angry with President Obama, all but denouncing him for not helping black Americans to weather the current economic crisis. Most Americans, including other black Americans, fail to understand why one race should be seen as suffering more than others. Sharpton has called for black leaders to give Obama – and hope – a chance. John Lennon rolled over in his grave.

Texas Rangers manager Ron Washington tested positive for cocaine last year. Somehow, it has just been announced and apparently he has passed all tests since. Washington played in the major leagues during the 80’s cocaine crisis. All of America was shocked yawned.

The PA system of a Wal-Mart store in New Jersey sprang to life yesterday and a calm male voice said, “attention Wal-Mart shoppers: all black people leave the store now.” Store managers are reviewing security tapes in an effort to find the perpetrator while the story has made national news. Meanwhile, a bored twentysomething man ran back to his ramshackle apartment and laughed hysterically at the hubbub while sitting naked in front of his computer, eating Cheetos.

Finally, yet another posterchild of Demcare has been silenced by reality. Natoma Canfield, paraded before the press by none other than Obama himself, claimed that her health insurance rose when she was diagnosed with lukemia last year. She, along with Obama administration officials, have also claimed that she faced the Ohio hospital where she was receiving treatment putting a lien on her home due to nonpayment of medical bills. Hospital officials corrected the statement, saying that at no time would a gravely ill patient face choosing between their home or their health. The most open and honest administration in history had no comment.

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19 thoughts on “Daily News Shots, 03/17/2010

  1. “Natoma Canfield, paraded before the press by none other than Obama himself, claimed that her health insurance rose when she was diagnosed with lukemia last year. ”

    “Claimed”? As if it didn’t happen? What exactly are you implying? She had to cancel her insurance because premiums kept rising. She’d raise her deductible, and they’d still jack up her rates. She’d shoulder more out of pocket costs, and they’d still jack up her rates. They got what they wanted, which was her off their rolls. Two weeks after her insurance ran out is when she was diagnosed with Leukemia.

    Also, this woman never said the hospital threatened to put a lien on her house. Did you even read the article you linked to? I’m guessing the answer is no, because you’d probably be embarrassed to find that the same person that “corrected” the phony statement about liens also said this about choosing between health and home:

    “But this patient is probably not the best example of someone in that situation, although we’ve have patients in that situation who haven’t yet qualified for Medicaid, or didn’t have the resources”

    She also added that Obama is not wrong in saying that a patient in Canfield’s situation might have to choose between her home and health care, because when you finish your treatment, you’re not magically exempt from payment.

    Here’s what I don’t get about the wonderful little sect of conservatism that pretends to love Jesus: they claim to be His followers, but the minute anyone tries to act Christ-like, they call him or her whatever nasty word you can tack onto the suffix “ism”. And I can already see the obligatory response coming a mile away, some drivel about churches doing what they can and government shouldn’t get involved. That’s an intellectually lazy response and spiritually it’s a cop out. Jesus regularly healed people and never once asked for payment. Here’s what it boils down to: If you don’t want real competition, you’re not a true capitalist. If you don’t want to heal the sick, you aren’t a true Christian. And if you don’t want to save American lives, you aren’t a patriot. You people have managed to hit the trifecta…

  2. “What exactly are you implying?”

    That we don’t know all the facts despite what a number of people have told us (and it doesn’t all match). I’m not saying she’s not sick, Robert. Get a grip.

    “Also, this woman never said the hospital threatened to put a lien on her house. Did you even read the article you linked to?”

    Yes, Robert, I read it. And she actually did, the article says that phrase originated with her in her original letter to the President. Did YOU read it? Not to mention when it was said publicly that folks like Canfield “fear having to sell their home to pay medical bills” hospital administrators were the ones to set the record straight about this particular case.

    Yes, SOME patients do face extreme medical bills. A lot of people in our culture, however, spend a lot of money they could be putting into a savings account on things they don’t really need. I can watch the news and movies on my computer; I don’t need a flat-screen TV. I go to thrift stores for some of my clothes and in some cases, parts of my EMT turnouts double as everyday gear (I don’t have to pay for that stuff and if it’s not marked uniform clothing I can wear it as I wish). I don’t have to have every DVD in creation. I don’t need the newest Playstation or Nintendo. These things can wait until you have a good financial cushion underneath you. I have seen too many people (including myself in younger days) spend too much money on things that were unnecessary then cry foul when a crisis came up later.

    Don’t preach to me about my faith, Robert. At no point have I said that there are things that don’t need to be fixed. Yes, there is reform that is needed, but the government needs to stop regulating the insurance companies to death, enact tort reform, stop allowing anyone with a few hundred bucks to sue when something doesn’t go right after a medical issue so doctors will stop practicing defensive medicine. If lawsuits drop and the cost of defense drops, the cost of medical care drops. Tests that don’t need to be done and are expensive will stop. Plus, if the government stops requiring that insurance companies in some states cover everything and the kitchen sink, prices will go down further. Did you know that in Iowa it costs one-third the price of insurance in New Jersey because of the things that insurance companies are required to cover?

    Did you also know that Medicare and Medicaid are fraud-ridden and LOSING MONEY? Do you think this new expansion of government-run health “options” is going to be any better?

    “If you don’t want to heal the sick, you aren’t a true Christian.”

    Well, since you apparently don’t get what I and everyone else here has tried to say, you don’t get to judge what I believe. Trust me, Robert, if I had enough money I would spend all my time going to school and volunteering as a medic. I wish I didn’t need to actually make a living but I do. I hate to break it to you, but my schooling was expensive and a doctor’s education is four times what I paid. You think charity is going to pay for that? Jesus didn’t require payment because He is the Son of God. He never said that making a living at healing others was a sin. Get your facts straight.

    “And if you don’t want to save American lives, you aren’t a patriot.”

    Again…only God will judge me. You don’t get a say.

    “You people have managed to hit the trifecta…”

    We apparently do that a lot around here.

  3. “And she actually did, the article says that phrase originated with her in her original letter to the President. Did YOU read it? ”

    Show me the quote where she says the hospital put a lien on her house. She never accused the hospital of threatening that. The phrase originated? Not at all the same as saying it happened. And no Mel, I didn’t read the article. I just, by some strange osmosis, came up with the exact wording found in the article. Like this:

    “However, Canfield’s fears that she could lose her home — if, for example, the hospital tried to put a lien on it — are not necessarily unfounded, Sornberger said.”

    “There are other hospitals that will do that,” he said. “There’s nothing in the industry that says you can’t do it. So she could go 5 miles to some other facility and find that they do have that practice in place.”

    “Not to mention when it was said publicly that folks like Canfield “fear having to sell their home to pay medical bills” hospital administrators were the ones to set the record straight about this particular case.”

    Set the record straight? They confirmed her fears! This:

    “Obama is not wrong in saying that a patient in Canfield’s situation might have to choose between her home and health care”

    was lifted right out of the very article you’re using as your argument. Tell me how you think a woman with an annual income of $6,000 is supposed to pay for Leukemia treatments that cost well in excess of that? Selling your house seems like a very real possibility.

    “I have seen too many people (including myself in younger days) spend too much money on things that were unnecessary then cry foul when a crisis came up later.”

    You’re really reaching here, especially if you think that someone who has $500 every month is buying flat screen TVs…

    “At no point have I said that there are things that don’t need to be fixed.”

    You sure as hell act like it. And tort reform isn’t even close to a fix. I know doctors who say that tort reform will have little to no impact on lowering costs.

    “If lawsuits drop and the cost of defense drops, the cost of medical care drops.”

    That’s funny that I knew that was coming before I even read it. Both Illinois and California have enacted tort reform, and it hasn’t lowered any costs. California’s Anthem Blue Shield (Wellpoint) recently arbitrarily decided that they would like to have 39% more of people’s money. So much for tort reform, eh?

    And another thing, Obama has agreed to put tort reform into the legislation (with 161 other Republican authored amendments), and the GOP is still against this bill, which tells me that they have absolutely no interest in helping people. It’s political theater, nothing more. The GOP is scared shitless of this passing. All this nonsense you hear coming from them, about how it will raise costs and destroy the country, all bullshit. If they really thought that was true, they’d allow it pass with no obstruction, because it would guarantee them election wins. They are fear mongering because they know if it passes, people just might wonder how they lived without it. Kind of like demonizing one of the most popular programs in existence, Medicare.

    “Did you know that in Iowa it costs one-third the price of insurance in New Jersey because of the things that insurance companies are required to cover?”

    Haven’t we already been over this? I’ve found no evidence to support your claims regarding NJ.

    “Did you also know that Medicare and Medicaid are fraud-ridden and LOSING MONEY? Do you think this new expansion of government-run health “options” is going to be any better?”

    Yes. Medicare is fraud ridden because of conservatives. Who was responsible for giving tax dollars to private industry to do the same things Medicare does at much higher costs? Why, I do believe it was a conservative.

    “He never said that making a living at healing others was a sin”

    Who said anything about not making a living. You cons continually try to make an argument that has never once been suggested, and that is that doctor pay will somehow suffer. Doctors will continue to get paid by insurance companies, albeit very slowly and after fighting tooth and nail. I’d really like to know where this inane notion came from.

    “Again…only God will judge me. You don’t get a say.”

    Nobody is judging you. Observations don’t equal judgments. But I do so love the cop out. This line is usually uttered by people who know damn well they’re doing wrong.

  4. “The PA system of a Wal-Mart store in New Jersey sprang to life yesterday and a calm male voice said, “attention Wal-Mart shoppers: all black people leave the store now.” Meanwhile, a bored twentysomething man ran back to his ramshackle apartment and laughed hysterically at the hubbub while sitting naked in front of his computer, eating Cheetos.”

    Wait one freaking second!!!

    Bored? Yes.

    Twentysomething? I wish.

    Ramshackle apartment? I wouldn’t go that far.

    Naked? Dinner and flowers first.

    Cheetos? You bet!!!

    But seriously…that’s exactly how it went down. Someone played a prank and it worked.

    I bet he wagered one of his friends he could do it and it would become national news.

  5. “Show me the quote where she says the hospital put a lien on her house.”

    You really love putting words in my mouth, don’t you? What I said was that the CLAIM was made that she FEARED she MIGHT have to choose between her home and her health. Here’s the quote:

    “The idea that Canfield would have to give up her home originated first in the letter she wrote to the president, in which she explained that she feared she would have to sell it in order to pay her medical bills.”

    Yes, the quote originated with her.

    “You’re really reaching here, especially if you think that someone who has $500 every month is buying flat screen TVs…”

    It was part of a broader argument, and if you had more than two brain cells to rub together you might have figured that out. You know as well as I do that people in our culture spend money like it’s going out of style. I have a relative who was making $2500 a month (that’s AFTER taxes) and getting an extra $1000 in alimony payments. When this relative needed medical care they had no money. Why? Because they’d spent it all on expensive gadgets, expensive furniture, clothing, long vacations, that sort of thing. What’s more is this relative would be the first to get angry and appear on the news because they couldn’t afford a treatment. It is a larger problem, not one I am assigning to this case in particular.

    “Haven’t we already been over this? I’ve found no evidence to support your claims regarding NJ.”

    Okay…a little research. I jumped on http://www.ehealthinsurance.com to see what the difference would be (something I’ve done before and you apparently missed). For a single 30-year-old female who doesn’t smoke living in Hackensack, NJ, the average of the first five health plans listed costs $317.05 a month.

    For a single 30-year-old female who doesn’t smoke living in Des Moines, IA, the average of the first five health plans listed costs $107.84 a month. There were FAR more choices available in Iowa than in New Jersey. I couldn’t even find individual health insurance provided by United HealthCare in New Jersey, but it was available in Iowa. In all, I found 91 plans available for individual healthcare coverage in Iowa.

    I only found 21 in New Jersey.

    Does that answer your question? Hey, at least I can provide proof to back myself up rather than saying, “I don’t feel like laying it all out, if you wanna find the truth of my claim, YOU go read up on it.”

    “Yes. Medicare is fraud ridden because of conservatives.”

    That is one of the most outrageous things you’ve ever had the temerity to say here. Tell me something…are you willing to blame a $55M medicare fraud ring run by five individuals in Miami on conservatives? Ihosvany Marquez ran a chain of five bogus healthcare clinics in Miami that submitted hundreds of fraudulent claims for treatments of HIV, cancer and varicose veins on patients that never existed. How about Jose Luis Perez, who outdid that with $56M in bogus claims for artificial limbs that were never delivered to patients that never existed? Or Enrique Gonzalez Figueredo, a Cuban national who stiffed the government for $24.5M in bogus HIV infusion claims.

    There’s Roberto Sanchez, Cuban, who set up a fake medical equipment company and made off with nearly $6M in medicare claims within three years.

    Ramon Moreira, another Cuban, also set up a fake medical equipment company and made off with $5.35M in fake claims.

    Esnardo Cabrera Hernandez, another Cuban, same thing. In just two months he got $1.75M in bogus claims.

    Jose Garcia, Cuban, ran a fake HIV infusion business and netted $11M in six months.

    Guillermo Diaz-Perez, Cuban, ran TWO fake medical equipment companies and in four months made off with $5.8M.

    Lazaro Lemus, Cuban, ran a fake medical equipment company and in two years filed nearly $10M in bogus claims.

    I have a list of more than 20 cases just like this. Only a fraction have seen the inside of a jail cell. What’s more, each of these cases is in Florida. I haven’t even scratched the surface. Defrauding the government is easy: if you know medical coding and billing (or have someone nearby who does), all you have to do is set up a fake medical company, buy a few names from doctor’s offices or hospitals with a little personal info, have a non-home-based mailing address and you just inundate Medicare offices with bills. There were a reported $60 billion in fraud losses in Medicare last year. Do you still have the balls to blame that on conservatives?

    “I’d really like to know where this inane notion came from.”

    From you, actually. How many times have you said that healthcare should be non-profit? How many non-profit entities (other than churches, which I think should be taxed for getting into politics) are capable of recruiting and retaining top talent? I could count the number on the fingers of one hand and still have fingers left over.

    And really, what else was I supposed to take away from you claiming that we don’t want to heal the sick? Talk about inane…

    “Nobody is judging you. Observations don’t equal judgments.”

    Telling me that I’m not a Christian or a patriot isn’t a judgement? You’re full of shit.

    “Also, speaking of costs, I figured I’d get this out there before you people have a chance to lie trough your teeth yet again”

    Don’t come onto this blog and accuse anyone of lying, particularly when your only proof is a list of government ESTIMATES. Those estimates don’t include the billions we’re hemorrhaging in fraud losses or how much it costs to prosecute those fraud cases.

    I’d love to be able to see your point of view, Robert. I really would. I just can’t seem to find a way to get my head that far up my ass.

  6. Here’s the quote:

    “The idea that Canfield would have to give up her home originated first in the letter she wrote to the president, in which she explained that she feared she would have to sell it in order to pay her medical bills.”

    So, she sells it, pays her medical bills and rents an apartment or buys another home. Tell me how does that differ from someone who rents and draws down their savings or sells stock shares to pay medical bills?

    The renter still has a place to live. The homeowner will too. It may not be the place they had before they got sick. But they won’t end up homless.

    Selling your home to pay bills is no different then selling stock shares or using savings to pay bills.

    Yes a home can earn equity. Homes often do appreciate in price. So what? What’s that equity for? Isn’t it like any asset? You use it when you need it?

    People make a big deal out of some poor smuck who has to sell his or her home. So what? If you need money and you have something worth money then selling that thing is one way to get the money you need.

    Finally if a person is ill they can keep their house, die and let someone else enjoy that house. They can also sell their home, use that money, maybe get better and then enjoy life. Not selling your home and dying because of that choice is foolish.

    All of this is so easy even a 5th grader understands it.

    It’s too bad liberals aren’t smarter than 5th graders but such is life. Considering the supposed sorry state of our education system, being dumber than a 5th grader is extremely dumb.

    Oh wait, our education system is just fine unless you are stupid because misguided liberals believe every student can be an academic star. But, that isn’t true. Getting a college degree requires smarts and discipline. If someone is not college level smart then they can’t be made to be that way.

  7. John, I’m with you. If selling one’s belongings to make money to pay bills is a bad thing then I want my snowboarding gear back. I want my Shiloh Sharps rifle back. Oh, and I really, REALLY want my Gibson Les Paul Custom back – you have no idea what it’s like to sell your guitars. It’s like selling part of your soul.

    The argument that a person shouldn’t have to sell things to pay bills, including medical bills, is silly. I may eventually get a new rifle that’s just as fun to take to the range. My dad just gave me my first Taylor guitar, something I’ve wanted since I was 17, and it is now my most prized possession. Who cares about all the other stuff? I can live without it. If I hadn’t spent $3000 on the rifle to begin with I wouldn’t have lost $1000 when I had to sell it to pay my rent. The money should have gone to my savings account before I started buying that kind of stuff.

  8. “The argument that a person shouldn’t have to sell things to pay bills, including medical bills, is silly.”

    Mel, in my line of work I’ve met plenty of grown adult children who were glad mom or dad had a home to sell to pay bills. That much treasured home paid the nursing home bills when mom or dad was too old to take care of himself or herself. That treasured home was sold so mom or dad did not burden the kids with expenses.

    So tell me why it’s o.k. to sell a home to pay for a nursing home or assisted living facility. But, it is a crying shame to sell it to pay for cancer treatment?

    Be glad you have resources to pay you bills. The alternative is far worse.

  9. “You really love putting words in my mouth, don’t you? What I said was that the CLAIM was made that she FEARED she MIGHT have to choose between her home and her health”

    Fail. Here’s what you said:

    “She, along with Obama administration officials, have also claimed that she faced the Ohio hospital where she was receiving treatment putting a lien on her home due to nonpayment of medical bills.”

    Nowhere there did you mention anything about fears that she had. I know that she had those fears, because I read the article.

    I said:

    “this woman never said the hospital threatened to put a lien on her house”

    To which you responded:

    “And she actually did”

    I am not putting words in your mouth, I’m merely pointing out your liberal use of hyperbole. The fact that you’re now backpedalling pleases me.

    “It was part of a broader argument”

    Why on earth are you making broad arguments when discussing a specific case? Either stick to the matter at hand or admit what we all know: you’re a weak debater.

    “When this relative needed medical care they had no money.”

    And no insurance? (as if it would help) This person has a job, one that presumably offers health insurance.

    “Does that answer your question?”

    No, because last time we had this discussion, I checked NJ law, and found nothing requiring insurance companies to provide services like acupuncture as part of basic care. Likewise, you have provided no proof that it’s even included.

    “Hey, at least I can provide proof to back myself up rather than saying, “I don’t feel like laying it all out, if you wanna find the truth of my claim, YOU go read up on it.”

    I call bullshit. I gave you pages of proof that you were not willing to read. I never said I don’t feel like laying it all out, you said you didn’t feel like reading, and when it became apparel that I was right, you asked for chicken shit minutes from a meeting that occurred almost ten years ago, as if it were easily accessible. You then had the nerve to later post something from the same source that I used, which was then not suitable as a credible source. You people are so full of shit that it’s amazing that people take you seriously (if in fact they do).

    “There were a reported $60 billion in fraud losses in Medicare last year. Do you still have the balls to blame that on conservatives?”

    I told you exactly what I was referring to and you skirt the issue by bringing up different cases. Which of these Cubans authorized the federal government to give subsidies to private insurance companies without our consent to do the same job as Medicare? I’d ask if you still have the balls to keep ignoring that fact, but I’m afraid of the answer.

    “From you, actually.”

    Really? I was the one who said that doctors should make less money? Provide me the quote and I will gladly apologize.

    “How many times have you said that healthcare should be non-profit?”

    I see you still have no clue how a non profit organization works. You seem to think that non profit means that people work for free. Not so. All non profit means is that whatever “profit” a company makes must be invested back into the company to ensure growth and sustainability, instead of funneled into the pockets of executives in the form of bonuses. People that work for non profits still get paid a salary, there’s just no incentive to inflate stock prices for the benefit of the few and to the detriment of many. Thank you for stating your preference.

    “And really, what else was I supposed to take away from you claiming that we don’t want to heal the sick? Talk about inane…”

    You’ve given your opinion, many times over, for your deference to profit over people. Drawing a logical conclusion that the GOP is not at all interested in healing the sick is far from inane. It’s accurate.

    “Telling me that I’m not a Christian or a patriot isn’t a judgement? You’re full of shit.”

    I love how you get to create your own definition of Christianity that includes outright hostility towards those that wish to implement one of the core tenants of Christ’s teachings, and somehow I’m the one who’s full of shit. Nice.

    “Don’t come onto this blog and accuse anyone of lying, particularly when your only proof is a list of government ESTIMATES. Those estimates don’t include the billions we’re hemorrhaging in fraud losses or how much it costs to prosecute those fraud cases.”

    You are liars. I have no qualms putting that out there. You’ve made the claim, many times, that this will cost exorbitant amounts of money, and according to the CBO (which you have sourced in the past when it suited you), that’s not only false, it saves money. Conservatives love to pretend to be deficit hawks, but they’re all talk. They will all vote against this bill, just like they voted against PAYGO, and just like they voted against balanced budgets under Clinton. And in case you need a lesson in how the Congressional Budget Office conducts business, they are literally not allowed to take any outside factors into consideration. They take only what’s in the legislation, and tell you what, if anything, it will cost. So, if you insist on joining Druggie Limbaugh and calling a nonpartisan independent commission a pack of liars, by all means, do so. If not, quit harping on the word estimate, because that is what the CBO does, it estimates costs. Seeing as how this bill is not law and has not been enacted as such, there is no other word to use besides estimate. You can go ahead and cling to that though, if it helps.

    “I’d love to be able to see your point of view, Robert. I really would. I just can’t seem to find a way to get my head that far up my ass.”

    I’d love to see your point of view as well, Mel. I just can’t get my head that far up Sean Hannity’s ass.

    I love how quoting facts to you lunatics is enough to put you into hysterics…

  10. Robert, as always, you are still putting words in my mouth, twisting what I’ve said to suit your own purposes. I’m done with getting into this mile-long tit-for-tat comment war with you. Every time you decide to post, that’s what it turns into and I’m not doing it anymore. I’m sick of it. I’m tired of always being on the defensive because you can’t be honest.

    This is the only thing I’m going to respond to:

    “I love how you get to create your own definition of Christianity that includes outright hostility towards those that wish to implement one of the core tenants of Christ’s teachings, and somehow I’m the one who’s full of shit. Nice.”

    I almost wish you could have been on a ridealong with me last night. I was up all night. Every call my crew went on ended up on the news. I despise the notion of being branded as a braggart, so I’m not going to link news stories or give details. You don’t get to judge me (and yes, whether you admit it or not, you ARE passing judgement) or what I believe because you don’t know what I do or what I really believe. A few political commentaries does not give you any insight whatsoever into my mind, spirit or actions. Only an uber-liberal like you can ignore half of what has been said in posts on this blog to make all of us out to be extreme right-wing hatemongers along the lines of the Waffen SS.

    And since your definition of Christianity includes being a doormat, I’ll take what you have to say about the subject with a grain of salt. Have a nice day.

  11. So the Demonrats think they have the votes to pass Health Care Reform this weekend. But, do they have the votes this November to hold on to power? They don’t. This weekend the Obama becomes a bona fide one term President. The first low cost procedure under this new law will be a symbolic castration of the Obama. His presidency is finished.

  12. “So the Demonrats think they have the votes to pass Health Care Reform this weekend. But, do they have the votes this November to hold on to power? They don’t. This weekend the Obama becomes a bona fide one term President. The first low cost procedure under this new law will be a symbolic castration of the Obama. His presidency is finished.”

    Oh, this is just so sad. When wishful thinking starts to infringe on reality, you know you’ve got a problem. I spent six hours Sunday watching idiotic Republicans spew about how passing this bill would be in direct violation of the wishes of the American people.

    Well, guess what? What we all knew (and secretly you knew damn well too), has just been confirmed:

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/126929/Slim-Margin-Americans-Support-Healthcare-Bill-Passage.aspx

    I do love how a nearly ten point advantage is a “slim margin” according to Gallup. Using that definition, Obama won the presidency by a similarly slim margin.

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2010-03-23-health-poll-favorable_N.htm

    This one tells us that a majority thinks this was a good first step, which confirms what the people of Massachusetts told us when they elected Scott Brown (that they opposed the Senate bill because it didn’t go far enough).

    Finally, I would be remiss if I didn’t let everyone know how pleasing it is to see Senator DeMint’s Facebook page inundated with “Waterloo” music videos. Waterloo; what an asshole. And now David Frum tells the world that this is the GOP’s Waterloo. Not a good time to be a con, but awesome if you’re me…

  13. We’ll see when November rolls around.

    Even John McCain is in danger of losing his seat to another Republican because of his Democrat-pandering ways. That’s how angry people are right now.

  14. “By 49%-40%, those polled say it was “a good thing” rather than a bad one that Congress passed the bill.”

    Wait to they get the bill and have to pay for it. It’s funny how opinions change when hard money starts flying out of wallets and purses.

    The poor won’t complain because they get it for free right now. But those in the middle can kiss being in the middle goodbye.

  15. “We’ll see when November rolls around.”

    That’s very true Mel. The only opinions that matter are the opinions of people who vote.

    So how about poll numbers from people who vote?

    Those that are angry are more likely to vote vs. those who are happy with this law.

    If you don’t vote then you don’t have an opinion that is worth anything.

  16. “Finally, I would be remiss if I didn’t let everyone know how pleasing it is to see Senator DeMint’s Facebook page inundated with “Waterloo” music videos.”

    How pleased will be you be when the mounting debt this nation has crushes it? Let’s toss on another $940 billion over 10 years assuming that figure is accurate. Why not? Let’s keep piling it on hire and hire.

    We can’t afford to spend money any way we prefer no matter how noble the cause and you know that.

    I’d love to see the wars overseas end so we could stop spending money on both of them. Mabye that will happen sooner not later. Until then, we pay for it.

    Now we have this healthcare crap to pay for. This whole quagmire is further proof the people of this nation don’t want to play the cards life deals. Instead they want to make excuses. Last night was a perfect example of how bad it is.

    I got home from work and there was this drunk sleeping in front of my next door neighbor’s doorway. He woke up. I asked him what was up? He told me he was waiting for my neighbors to get home so they could return his truck. They were two hours overdue.

    I asked, “Why don’t you come into my apartment and call them on my phone?”

    He told me, “My cell phone is dead and I don’t know their number by heart.”

    I then said because it was windy and cold, “Why don’t you call one of your friends on my phone so they can come and get you?”

    He told me, “I don’t have their numbers memorized either.”

    I then retrieved a phone book, “Why not look their phone number up?”

    He replied, ‘They don’t have land lines.”

    Getting frustrated I then asked, “Can you call one of them at their workplace? Workplaces have land lines?”

    He fired back, “They’ve gone home for the day.”

    GRRRRR!!!!

    So I said, “Well I’ve done all I know. I have an old coat you can have and keep so you won’t freeze your butt off. If you like, I’ll give you bus fare so you can go home.”

    I handed him my old coat that was really new but it was a gift and ugly and I don’t wear it.

    He said, “This coat doesn’t fit.”

    Then I lost it.

    I told him, ‘You might as well be of use to someone today so why don’t you get on your knees and give me a (bleep)? Can you handle that?”

    He said to me, ‘I am not gay.”

    I fired back, “I did not ask you if you are gay. I asked you if you would give me a (bleep). Being gay makes that easier. But, being gay is not mandatory. So, how about it? You might as well do something useful besides sleeping in someone’s doorway and having one stupid excuse after another about every (bleep) (bleep) (Bleeping) thing.”

    He left.

    See how helpless people have become and it is only getting worse?

    BTW, I did not want sex from this guy. But, he needed to be humiliated and degraded for his sinful stupidity and lack of action. He’s lucky he did not get arrested and tossed in jail for sleeping in someones doorway. In my neighborhood that is so not allowed. Being sexually harassed is a small price to pay. Plus he got a new coat out of the deal.

  17. “Wait to they get the bill and have to pay for it. It’s funny how opinions change when hard money starts flying out of wallets and purses.”

    They’ll be equally happy, because premiums will be lower.

    “How pleased will be you be when the mounting debt this nation has crushes it? Let’s toss on another $940 billion over 10 years assuming that figure is accurate. Why not? Let’s keep piling it on hire [sic] and hire [sic].”

    I’ll be pleased with the fact that this will lower the deficit by $1.2 trillion. You should be pleased too if you’re a conservative. What we’re seeing now is the most perfect demonstration of Jude Waninski’s Two Santa Claus Theory. For eight years, the GOP spent money like it was going out of style, in what I perceive to be a deliberate attempt to bankrupt the government, knowing full well a Democrat would one day be in office, and they can point to it and say “see, government is broken”. Many of the same GOP elected officials that today decry “big government spending” voted in lock step to add over $6 trillion of debt to the national credit card. They say “we can’t afford it”. Of course we can’t, you fucking saw to it personally that we can’t! They have succeeded at having their cake and eating it too. But we’re not all blind.

    “We can’t afford to spend money any way we prefer no matter how noble the cause and you know that”

    See? You’re playing the game too, John. The truth is, we can’t afford not to do this. If this hadn’t passed, spending on health care would be 100% of GDP in 20 years.

    “I’d love to see the wars overseas end so we could stop spending money on both of them.”

    That’s a refreshing sentiment from someone on this blog.

    “Mabye [sic] that will happen sooner not later. Until then, we pay for it.”

    And even that’s only true because this President decided to have everything out in the open. Now that these wars aren’t being funded off the books with emergency supplementals, people can see the real cost.

    “Now we have this healthcare crap to pay for. This whole quagmire is further proof the people of this nation don’t want to play the cards life deals. Instead they want to make excuses. Last night was a perfect example of how bad it is.”

    I have a hard time understanding how this can be viewed as bad by anyone. Hyperbole aside about socialism and government takeovers (neither of which are present in any legislation), this was health INSURANCE reform. There is absolutely NO government administered health care present in this law. I really need somebody to tell me why it’s a bad thing that insurance companies can’t practice discrimination by refusing people with pre existing conditions. Or why it’s bad that lifetime caps can be imposed on those with the misfortune of having cancer, where one round of chemo can run $100,000 and lifetime caps usually hover around the same amount (talk about death panels!). How can making sure that 85 cents of your premium dollar be spent on actually caring for you be a bad thing? People act like we were invaded by a foreign enemy simply because the insurance companies can’t kick people off their rolls when the get sick.

    If people really want to huff and puff and leave congressman nasty voicemails and death threats, and spit on congressmen and call them names like nigger and faggot, what’s going to happen when the public option comes up for a stand alone vote next month? People need to learn to control themselves, because I’ve heard those who lived it tell how this behavior is similar to the behavior exhibited just before Martin Luther King, Jr. was killed. These crazies need to find a better outlet to express their anger over something that makes this a better country. As pissed off as I was at the never ending law breaking of the last administration, I never once thought to hurl a brick through Jon Kyl’s office or incite those who agreed with me to “reload”. This is getting out of hand, and fast. Instead of condoning and even egging on this kind of behavior, the GOP needs to condemn these acts and tell these people to stop this destructive behavior. Because if someone ends up dead, I promise you that heads are going to roll in the media, particularly those of Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh. Or maybe not. Bill O’Reilly managed to distance himself from culpability in Dr. George Tiller’s murder after years of calling him “Tiller the baby killer”…

  18. “They’ll be equally happy, because premiums will be lower.”

    How will my premiums will be lower when my insurance company can no longer:

    1. Bar people with pre-extisting conditions.

    2. Eliminates lifetime limits on coverage and annual limits too.

    I suppose those 37 million people who join the pool all have money to spend on health insurance and every single one of them from homeless junkies and drunks to millionaires will sign right up.

    I calculated it is cheaper for me to pay the fine every year.

    I know of no form of insurance with bottomless payout schemes. But, this new and misguided law creates just that.

    As for people with preexisting conditions, are they going to pay more becuase they represent a higher risk? What if they can’t afford to pay more and are too poor for Mediaid? Who is going to pick up that balance?

    Why don’t people treat medical problems they same way they treat other financial problems? I can’t afford a Porsche so I don’t own one. I can’t afford a round the world cruise so I don’t go. If you can’t afford to go to the doctor then don’t go.

    Some people find it morally disgusting to have people die in this country becuase they can’t afford medical care. It is morally disgusting but not for the reasons you think. What’s morally disgusting is people in this mess put other spending choices ahead of their own medical care. They rather fiddle around like the grasshopper instead of gathering grain like the ant.

    But what is morally disgusting is walking into an ER, using the services it provides, not paying for them and thinking that is acceptable behavior.

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