Free Fahlman

Rob Targosz was a good man.

He was a 12-year veteran of the Gilbert Police Department, named “Officer of the Year” twice. He was a problem-solver, always coming up with new ideas, and known for his smile and good nature. To this day his friends and family miss him. On April 30, 2006, Rob was on his GPD motorcycle unit on his way to a DUI enforcement post when a red Ford Mustang blew a red light at the intersection of Apache Blvd. and Price Rd. (also the frontage road for the Loop 101). The Mustang obliterated Rob’s unit, causing injuries that he would succumb to the next day; the driver and a passenger jumped out of the Mustang and fled on foot. The passenger, 20-year-old Ryan Moore, felt some remorse and later returned to the scene and turned himself in. Four hours after the wreck, 20-year-old driver Tyler Fahlman was located at his father’s North Scottsdale home. The car was registered to his father.

At that time, four hours after the incident, Tyler blew a .083 on a breathalyzer test. That’s four hours of his body metabolizing alcohol; a human adult typically metabolizes alcohol at a rate of about one drink per hour. That means at the time of the wreck, his blood alcohol content was probably .20 or higher.

Two years later, Fahlman finally pleaded guilty and received a nine-year sentence. During sentencing, his father and sister reportedly made very emotional pleas to be lenient on him. He just made a mistake, right? Well, it continues. I have recently discovered a Facebook page dedicated to him. It’s called “Free Fahlman” and it was set up by his sister and one of his best friends. Here’s the description:

“Show your love for a brother on lock down. We all make mistakes, that’s what life’s about. I hope all that were Ty’s REAL friends understand this and always keep him at mind. Hopefully we can all compose a shrine of pics and memories of Ty on “FREE FAHLMAN” to reflect upon from time to time. Ty: Do your time, Don’t let your time do you.”

It gets better. The page is still public – for now – and there are some amazing comments there.

A white boy from Snottsdale (I live in the city, I can get away with making fun of it) named Travis Heisler, who apparently thinks he’s a gangster, said, “dedicating “IM FREE” by PIMP C (R.I.P.) to ty , so many of us miss you brother, stay up, we will see you soon.” Another friend named Derek Cardoza tells Tyler – who is a writer and was studying film at Scottsdale CC – that he’s “laying the foundation” for when his buddy gets out of prison. I guess the wannabe mafioso theme runs in his friends, because another one named Gavin Carpenter said, “Happy birthday brother, keep your head up buddy we are holdin it down for you until you get home. Arnold is coming out with a new movie with Sylvester Stallone, Jet Li, Bruce Willis, Jason Statham, Danny Trejo, Randy Coutour, and Stone Cold Steve Austin..sickest cast ever, called the Expendables! Stay up playa we will see you in no time. -GIP.” Gal pal Gena Lee Nolin wrote, “Thinking about you Ty.. I hope that you’re still writing and dreaming about the days to come. That your visions and the words you write will someday be for all of us to see.. I believe it!”

The most disgusting post of all was early in the section from a friend named Robin Pels. She said, “I think about Ty often and just think the whole situations sucks. They (the law officials) could have turned this into a positive instead of ruining so many lives. Ty has a lot to offer and could have done so much for the topic other sitting in a cell..makes me sick.”

You had your two cents. Now, since the officers, family and friends who loved Rob are unable to speak because of the jobs they still love, I’m going to have MY say.

You all say that he made a mistake. According to Robin, it’s apparently sickening to you that law enforcement wanted to see justice done because there was oh so much good Tyler could do now. Here’s the problem…Tyler was first cited for underage drinking in 2003, when he was just 16 years old. His father called the police himself to “teach him a lesson.” It didn’t stick, because just three short days later, on April 13, 2003, Tyler was arrested for underage drinking, driving under the influence, giving false information and having liquor in a vehicle – after crashing daddy’s Mercedes into a house at 0400 and trying to back up and drive away. He got a measley 24 hours in jail and some community service along with an expunged record. Just five months later, in September 2003, he was cited for underage drinking yet again, this time while hosting a keg party at his parents’ house. One month after that, in October 2003, he was arrested for DUI again. He got a year of probation and was required to attend AA and a MADD impact panel. His record was expunged a second time. He was cited for speeding just one month before the April 2006 wreck in which he flew past cars stopped at a red light, went through the light and hit Rob Targosz.

No…a “mistake” would have been what happened if he’d been sober when he hit Rob. I might have bought the idea that it was a mistake if it was the first time he’d gone driving while drunk. What I fail to understand is how so many people can be so loyal to a person who continually defied the laws not only about drinking, not only about driving, but BOTH repeatedly. I might be able to understand supporting him while he does his time if, in his and your remorse, you all felt that he deserved what he’d gotten and he needed to serve all of his time.

Tyler has been at ASPC Eyman for nearly two and a half years now. He’s got just five years left; he may well get out of prison in half that. In his prison mugshot, he wears a smirk that I cannot abide, one I’ve seen on many prison inmates and ICE detainees. When making his statement, Tyler claimed that he saw the burning wreckage but wasn’t thinking that someone might be in it – he was thinking about how he’d wrecked his father’s car. That isn’t a mistake, either, and calling it “selfish” is letting yourself off the hook. Try inexcusable. You knew before you got behind the wheel that what you were doing was wrong. If you don’t know it now, then I cannot find an ounce of respect for you or for your friends. Rob’s wife, children, family and friends will never have him back. Our prisons are full of people who just “made mistakes” that landed them there. Claiming to not understand what you did wrong does not now and never will absolve you of the consequences of your actions. Since a slew of arrests, probation, AA meetings and impact panels (not to mention crashing a car into a house) didn’t teach you, what else was the public supposed to do – wait for you to kill someone else? Your dreams may one day be realized, you privileged little brat, but listening to you and your family and friends talk about how unfair your sentence is disgusts me. I’d really like to know which of you stuck-up trust-fund pricks were at the kegger that landed his THIRD underage drinking arrest. I never would have been able to get away with anything remotely like that when I was a kid.

Incredibly, the maker of the site had the patent nerve to post a picture of the Steve Benson memorial cartoon paying homage to Rob Targosz. I wanted to vomit.

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47 thoughts on “Free Fahlman

  1. So the kid liked to drink underage, can’t hold his liquor and kept going back for more?

    His father belongs in the slammer. This underage drinking happened on his watch. After the first time his son was arrested, he never ever should have allowed him to leave the house alone. He should have grounded him for life.

  2. Crimoney…I know I woulda been grounded for life, and that’s at the very least. We didn’t have computers or cell phones when I was a kid and I wasn’t allowed to have a TV or Nintendo in my room, but my guitar, books, stereo and all of my CD’s would have been gone. I would have been allowed my bed, my school books and just enough clothing to get me by – they would have given me more clothing as needed to make sure I wasn’t hiding anything.

    What happened to disciplining kids?

  3. I fall back to a Monty Python’s routine where someone was murdering bishops (“How can you tell?” “Tattooed to the back of their neck!”). Has the “Church Police” was hauling him away he addmitted it was a fair cop but it wasn’t his fault. Who’s fault was it? Society’s! So the cops decided to arrest society.
    I think many parents will be less worried that their kids committed some infraction or crime and just say that you can’t prove it and try to protect them. I know my parents would still love me but leave me in jail. Can’t blame them.
    AndyB, NH.

    A bit long but if you like Monty Python.

  4. “A bit long but if you like Monty Python.”

    Like? Is it really true nobody ever expects a Spanish Inquisition?

  5. THAT is our chief weapon! Surprise! And snappy red uniforms. No wait, that’s two let me start again….
    It’s so sad I haven’t watched them for years but they are imprinted on my brain!
    Now, do you have any cheese…. (I think that skit was in one of the Secret Policeman’s Balls shows).
    AndyB, NH (a sick, sick Python infested mind).

  6. “Sit on my faaaaace and tell me that you love me…”

    I used to have that as a ringtone. It was beautiful. People would always look at me in either overjoyed surprise or abject horror when my phone rang.

  7. How about “Never be rude to an Arab…..” There are too many ridiculously good songs and skits from them. Yours would be a GREAT ringtone though. A former coworker used to say “If you can’t take a joke…” Her other quote was “Your lack of planning does not make MY emergency.”
    I have to order the Policeman’s Balls dvd now:-)
    AndyB, NH.

  8. We can’t forget the Spam sketch. Among their collected works it isn’t the most funny. But who would have guessed what that would lead to when the Internet was born.

  9. I had known Tyler, personally. As a kid, he was a spoiled delinquent. After I no longer had any thing to do with him, he has been reported to have multiple incidents with alcoholic and/or vehicles.

  10. First of all buddy, you need to get the facts staright before you have the right to slander peoples name on an online format. A.) Tyler Fahlman blew a .023 upon his initial detention, B.) He was picked up one hour later at his one bedroom apartment in Tempe, his father had no lcue of what was going on.

    With all that being said, what gives you the right to mock and condemn the way people chose to cope with a tradegy such as the event that happened that night. If an individual wants to dedicate a song to his friend, he has the right no matter how “gangster” it is. Furthermore, if someone wants to tell of an upcoming movie to help cope with the detention of a friend, they should be able to do so without there name being posted on your homosexual website. To be Frank, I am telling you to remove peoples names and false info of this post immediately. I hope we are clear..

  11. You can tell me all you want, “buddy.” I haven’t slandered anyone, I simply told the truth – something the press would do if they felt it was worthy of reporting. Don’t want it publicized? Make that page private.

    Have a great day.

  12. Oh, and by the way…if any of my friends EVER got drunk and killed any person, cop OR civilian, after repeatedly doing what Tyler did, the only way they would still have me in their life is if they owned up to what they did and accepted the maximum penalty for it. In no way would I ever attack law enforcement for putting someone in jail for that. Hell, I wouldn’t even go that far for my own family.

    I will never understand why any person would do such a thing, especially with a family that will never recover from a loss of that magnitude.

  13. It appears some of Ty’s fan club “Friends Understanding Cop Killers” AKA FUCK are vying for conjugal visits with their most-favored turdstick by forming a revisionist version of the incident. Allow me to summarize the event:

    Ty got fucked-up underage drunk.
    Ty drove a car while fucked-up underage drunk.
    Ty hit and killed a guy while fucked-up underage drunk.

    Five years? No one is forgetting this one.

  14. Mr. Fahlman has fully accepted responsibility for this horrible tragedy, he has to live with it every day well beyond his sentence. Obviously that wont bring back Officer Targosz but please believe me that Mr. Fahlman has carried the burden of this incident with strength and responsibility well beyond his years. Furthermore, if you are unhappy with the sentence, contact YOUR STATE PROSECUTION, they are the ones who offered the plea.. dont take it out on young twenty year olds who are trying to cope with the magnitude of the situation in there own way.. how old are you guys anyway, like 40? And Remo.. ill leave the conjugal visits for you and Mel.. seems to be fitting with the general nature of this page.

  15. Oh and if you read the articles clearly they state that Ryan Moore, the passenger, blew the BAC .122, not Ty. I was in the courtroon several times when the figure was presented .023 in the official police statement.. you might want to conduct better dilligence before you go running your mouth on public forum.

  16. No. I’m actually a pretty young LESBIAN.

    Don’t you dare start preaching about “responsibility well beyond his years.” That is tacit horsehockey and everyone here knows it. Where was all that responsibility beyond his years BEFORE he committed this crime? Where was it when he picked up a case of beer after prom and crashed into a house, right after his father called the police on him for coming home drunk? Where was that responsibility beyond his years when he decided to throw a keg party for you and your silver-spoon buddies while mommy and daddy were out of town?

    Please, JR, spare me. He wanted a lighter sentence and, as mentioned in the original post, you guys think he shouldn’t have gone to prison at all. I mean, there’s so much good he could’ve done, right?

    What I find absolutely hilarious is that you get pissy with us for “slandering” Tyler and all of you and expect us to pay any respect at all, yet you post veiled threats and make tasteless jokes about this “homosexual page.” You’re a real winner, buddy. I’m absolutely convinced.

    And since you don’t even know enough about me to tell who or what I am, I do believe you can kiss my ass with that “I am telling you to remove this” bullshit.

  17. Aha…so now we come to the rub. MOORE blew a .121 an hour after the crash, when he returned to the scene to turn himself in. Tyler hadn’t been arrested at that time. What was it you were saying about the time…?

    Moore was booked at 0120. Fahlman was booked at 0900.

  18. The rub, not sure what that means but I guess we will buy it for now? Seriously, your work is poor excuse for journalism or blogging, or whatever this is. Poor sources of information(www.duiattorney.com??) and a lack of respect for people you dont nkow when typing individuals full names onto a bullshit post. Seriously who are you? Furthermore, I want to clearly state that no one in Ty’s life feels that he shouldnt be in prison, that is a completely illegitimate and fucked up allegation. Alright I’m done, your a loser. Have a nice time blogging about absolute trash. ANd by the way, 31 is not young to be sitting around on your computer all day. Got to go to work now, a real job that is, bye.

  19. Love it, good for you JR, don’t waste your time. This supposed “publication” is hilarious and Melmaguire has serious issues(good luck finding that girl!). The Times this is most definately NOT and only in Arizona would such trash be posted. Obviously “investigative” reporting or writing skills are not a pre-req.!!!! We will all continue to love and support Ty, as always, something these haters do not have the luxury of. Defending this nonsense with fact is not worth anyone’s time. Take care.

  20. I realize these quotes might not be as profound as some of the one’s from Monty Python, however, they simply could not be passed as they surmise this publication, it’s so-called “writer’s” and followers so eloquently!:

    – “There is nothing more frightful than ignorance in action”- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe(German Playwright,Poet,Novelist and Dramatist 1749-1832)

    – “The recipe for perpetual ignorance is to be satisfied with your opinions and content with your knowledge” – Elbert Hubbard (American editor, publisher and writer 1856-1915)

    – “Fear always springs from ignorance” – Ralph Waldo Emerson (American Poet, Lecturer and Essayist 1803-1882)

    – “He must be very ignorant for he answers every question he is asked” – Voltaire (French Philosopher and Writer, one of the greatest of all French authors 1694-1778)

    – “Nothing in the world is more dangerous than a sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity” – Martin Luther King Jr.(American Baptist Minister and Civil Rights Leader 1929-1968).

    Say no more.

  21. We’re losers, and you folks can’t spell or use proper grammar or punctuation. That’s classy.

    JR, good job on drumming up support from a couple of friends. They’re just as misguided as you are. I quoted actual posts from the Facebook page, so you can claim whatever you want.

    Since, in your estimation, “31 isn’t that young” I’m guessing you’re in your early 20’s. You don’t know shit about the real world, son. All of you were born and raised in privilege and you think the world revolves around you. One day you’ll meet reality head-on and it’s gonna suck.

    Until you have buried a few of your friends who genuinely were good people, you will never understand.

  22. Seriously, a person who breaks the law and kills someone in the process IS A CRIMINAL. Those who make excuses for this human slime represent the pathetic unnderbelly of hanger-ons. Weak and useless.

  23. “Since, in your estimation, “31 isn’t that young” I’m guessing you’re in your early 20′s. You don’t know shit about the real world, son. All of you were born and raised in privilege and you think the world revolves around you. One day you’ll meet reality head-on and it’s gonna suck.”

    Mel: I’ve read the above before. You are not the first person to point that out.

    Why do such kids grow up with such thinking?

  24. Because mommy and daddy have money and they don’t know what it’s like to go without. Not that there’s anything wrong with living that way, but when you’ve never experienced a loss like this, it tends to make little pukes like this guy a bunch of douchebags.

    Oh, and Stephanie – great work on the quotes. I can see you don’t have anything relevant to add. Ignorance? Hon, I hope you never go through what the Targosz family has survived.

  25. “Because mommy and daddy have money and they don’t know what it’s like to go without.”

    You just described half of my high school graduating class! My parents were climbing the economic ranks rather nicely when I was in high school. But if I wanted the nice big time extras in life then I had to get a job and buy them.

    The biggest reason was after working hard to get that money, I could then decide if what I wanted to blow it on was worth the work it took to get what I wanted.

  26. Mel I was never handed anything. I grew up in a single parent household in Providence, Rhode Island, not the most economically and socially stable area of our nation. I paid for college with loans and have worked since I was 16.

    Yes, the facebook page was public, it was however completely distasteful for you to “call-out” individuals who have decided to post on the site.

    And for the last time, I would appreciate if everyone posting on this site could realize that the point of my arguments was not to defend Ty as innocent, we all know he committed a crime, but to show him and his friends support.

    Basically I guess I lack respect and understanding for people who believe thier sole purpose in life is to cast judgement unto others. You people should all seriously reconsider what your time here is all about.

  27. haha Jen you crack me up by the way. I don’t walk out on friends when they get into trouble.. call me “slime” if you must. I am a very productive, non-DUI committing member of our society, I just dont feel I have the right to judge.

  28. Lastly, John from CA you literally are a deusch in every sense of the word. There is just something about someone calling me “son,” that makes me laugh but also gets me extremely upset at the exact same time. For the record I am 24, and yes 31 is young.. just not young enough to defend sitting around on the internet all day and calling it a “job” or better yet “service.” Get it kid?

  29. Sits around on the internet all day?

    Hardly.

    I have two jobs. I work full-time as a fraud investigator during the day, trying to catch crooks. Two or three nights a week I put in 12-hour shifts as an EMT/BHS counselor, commonly going on calls that require my presence for several hours. Most recently I’ve been on suicides (you name the method, I’ve seen it), child drownings, shootings, hostage/barricade situations, and death notifications – including DUI deaths.

    No, I don’t sit on the internet all day. I’m getting ready to switch from studying criminal justice to advanced paramedic studies so that, if I choose, I can go to nursing school later on. In case you haven’t noticed I don’t post every single day. I’m not entirely sure where the belief that I “sit around on the internet all day” comes from, but you’re hoping for too much, buddy.

    Nobody is asking anybody else to judge. The page was public, and some disrespectful comments were made there. If you can’t understand why they were disrespectful then I can’t help you. I will call out whomever I choose, just as you have the right to respond as you choose. Notice that nobody has taken your comments down.

    Oh, and you misspelled “douche.”

  30. “Mr. Fahlman has fully accepted responsibility for this horrible tragedy, he has to live with it every day well beyond his sentence. Obviously that wont bring back Officer Targosz but please believe me that Mr. Fahlman has carried the burden of this incident with strength and responsibility well beyond his years. ”

    Well beyond his years? Why did he flee the scene? His friend who was the same age fled too but returned. Why didn’t your friend turn himself in? Why did he sit and wait for the police to hunt him down? Why did he take him 2 years to enter a guilty plea? Why not plead guilty from the start?

    Show us how he has accepted responsibility?

  31. Hey.. Just wanted to say I think what is being said about Tyler’s family and friends is a little misguided. What he did over the years was wrong, I give you tha. Whaat happened the night he killed the officer was horrific. But to expect his friends and family to think and feel the way you all do is unreasonable. This is the person they love, so you expect them to back him up and love him unconditionally. No matter what. I am certain his family has spoken to him and let him know what he did was wrong on many levels. I am also certain that the death of this good man will be on his mind and in his heart for life. To know that you killed someone is not something you forget or brush off easily. I have seen Tyler every saturday at the Eyman prison. i do not know him personally. I visit my former partner in life every saturday. My partner was involved in a drinking rlated accident that hurt three people. The three victims were drug addicts with warrents out for their arrest and suspended license. They were meth addicts, but because my partner was the one who ran the red light, he was punished for the accident, as he should have been. he never ever shifted the responsibility to the victims and from the time he was in the hospital after the accident until today, he owned up to the accident. We as his loved ones feel a little different. The whole point of the story is that unless you are in our shoes, you do not undertsand or know how much you tend to ignore logic and stick with what the heart tells you. Each weekend for over a year that I se Tyler enjoying his visits from his family, I see a good young man who is so loved by his family and friends. I look at him at times and wonder what runs through his mind about the whole situation. He does not seem cocky, arrogant or playing the role of victim. He has a beautiful, loving family. What I am trying to say is, do not expect his family and friends to feel towards him what you all feel. That sentiment is unrealistic. You all have a right to feel what you do and deservedly so. Use the energy to mock and criticise his family by doing more for police officers and MADD. By the way, we can feel bitter ourselves towards Tyler. He will do 7 to 9 years for killing a person. My partner is doing 6 years. Only a few short years than Tyler, and he killed no one. he never had a DUI. Never been arrested. We can feel bitter but we do not. We have compassion for him and others, because we all make stupid, bone headed decisions. I could have been a Tyler many times over.

  32. Please post the quote that Rob Taragos had on his desk…I think he had a wonderful understanding of how people feel and how non=judgmental people should be.

  33. Anonymous, being non-judgmental doesn’t apply here.

    I believe I made myself quite clear. This isn’t about the crime nearly as much as it is about Ty’s family and friends trying to claim that he shouldn’t have gone to prison for his crime. Did you miss that part? A person is capable of being non-judgmental while still calling a spade a spade. The fact that you don’t like what I have to say does not mean that I’m being judgmental or that I am wrong in my assessment.

    The facts remain simple enough. He repeatedly – REPEATEDLY – got caught drinking underage. He came home drunk one night, daddy called the cops, cops gave him a citation, and within just days he was drinking and driving again – only this time he crashed into someone’s house with the remains of a whole ‘nother case of beer in the car. Once he did the damage he tried to back out and drive away! He refused to obey judge’s orders and never learned. Eventually he killed a man. Whether you like it or not, Ty Fahlman deserved severe punitive action for what he did and it is absolutely appalling that any sane, rational person would attempt to argue that the guy deserved another break.

    Speaking the truth isn’t the same as being judgmental. Learn the difference.

  34. “They were meth addicts, but because my partner was the one who ran the red light, he was punished for the accident, as he should have been. ”

    @Gabe

    It sounds like your former partner in life made a mistake that ended horribly. How many other traffic infractions and law violations did he rack up before the one that sent him to prison? I am guessing there were none.

    You are comparing apples to oranges here. I do acknowledge your points and they are taken. Perhaps Tyler’s family needs to let him rot and not visit him. Then perhaps the gravity of what he did will sink in.

  35. I have no trouble at all with Ty Fahlman’s family and friends loving and supporting him.

    It is when it comes to the point that they are calling for him to be freed and saying that the justice system was wrong for putting him in prison that I have a major issue. That is crossing the line for me. His friends dedicate songs to him as if he’s a dead hero. Don’t try to tell us all that you put up a page titled FREE FAHLMAN, on which you bitch and moan about how unfair it is that he’s in prison, yet you really understand how he deserved his sentence.

    When you do that, I have no trouble telling you that you’re full of shit.

  36. “It is when it comes to the point that they are calling for him to be freed and saying that the justice system was wrong for putting him in prison that I have a major issue.”

    I agree Mel. I grew up in a town with plenty of prisons around. Prison work was a major employer.

    The first rule about sending someone to prison is never ever do it unless it is absolutely necessary. When someone goes into prison, the state becomes 100 percent responsible for:

    Feeding that person.
    Clothing that person.
    Housing that person.
    Free medical care.
    Protecting that person.

    All of that costs money and a lot of it.

    No state itches and squirms to lock up people who don’t need to be locked up. Why incur the burden of that inmate’s care when there are other options?

    Sadly some people engage in behavior that is so henious we have to lock them up. This does not mean as a society or individuals that we enjoy this or want this.

    Now telling an inmate who is guilty of an offense that he or she does not beling in prison is counter productive. That sort of talk sends the wrong message to the inmate. It minimizes what the inmate did and makes re-offending more likely.

  37. @ John from CA and all you others seeing RED with HATRED in your hearts. Your words make me sick. I am not particularly religious, but I do believe in a higher power. Now, can you honestly say/think that the higher power would wish to end 2 lives instead of 1? Or rather 1 come away with a chance to make a difference, learn for his mistakes, and contribute to society in a positive manner? Higher power aside- let’s talk as human beings..do you believe in redemption? Or do you believe in the notion that all mistakes- big or small- shouldn’t be forgiven. Do you believe if something or someone was once a failure- it is doomed? Mr. Fahlman was just as much in a LETHAL wreck as the officer was. That motorcycle could have just as easily ripped through his windshield and ultimately turned that scene into (2) fatalities instead of one. It was a terrible tragedy. Although I prayed for officer Rob to pull through that awful night, I can not say that my thoughts were not with my friend Ty as well- because for some reason that we may or may not ever know- he survived. Same goes for all of his friendships and family. We have not, nor EVER will we, stop praying for Ty, sending Ty letters, visiting him, giving him support, pushing him to do BIG things in the world upon his release- because in the end, he is still very much alive and he still has the ability to contribute BIG things to society. For you to say “Perhaps Tyler’s family needs to let him rot and not visit him.” is in every sense of the word UNWARRANTED. That statement would lead me to believe you, yourself are not a parent (not only because pegs weren’t meant for pegs- p.s. I am dumbfounded how this thread ended up on a blog of this theme) but also because your words are cold and not those of a loving parent. A loving parent, or friend (which you probably have 0 since your words strongly suggest you know NO loyalty) would stick by theres until the end. through thick and thin. For your information, Ty’s dad is doing just fine and still backs and believes in son 100%. Same goes for his mom. Same goes for his friends. You guys can waste all of your time and blow fuses over your anger and hatred- and for what? NOTHING. It’s not going to bring Rob back- there comes a time where you need to accept loss, let go and move on. I am sure Rob is looking down wishing the best for everyone. Myself and all of Ty’s some hundred friends will continue to support him until his release- and believe me- he has one talented, fruitful, and financially stable network of friends that will all be there to help him get on his feet upon his release. You all might have one time or another smiled at the fact that Ty will wear “convicted felon on his sleeve” forever and consequently, will doom him and his chances of landing a respectable job when he is out…Well, guess what, he has already started his own business from INSIDE (If that doesn’t say much about him then I don’t know what does) and he will have countless job opportunities with my own business as well as all of his friends’ upon release. You can keep trying to kick someone who is down but believe me all you “haters”, there will come a day when Ty is out and doing bigger things than you EVER will. You know how I know that? because if you keep that hate in your hearts you will go nowhere- plus this whole thread just goes to show u people have entirely too much time on your hands. go back to worrying about yourselves…

  38. @ Mel- you are reading too much into the whole FREE FAHLMAN group and name and un rightfully speaking your ultra biased mind. By naming the group FREE FAHLMAN- this never once was intended to imply he should be Free, was not guilty of his crime, or that the justice system was in the wrong. It is the name of a movement that was intended to bring support to Ty and to ensure he is not forgotten. It is supposed to “FREE” his mind from the punishment he is paying from time to time. It is not myself and his friends holding up signs outside of police headquarters yelling “Ty is innocent, let him out”. It is a simple social page of his people showing him support, sharing memories and stating all that we look forward to doing with him once he is released.

    You wrote: “It is when it comes to the point that they are calling for him to be freed and saying that the justice system was wrong for putting him in prison that I have a major issue. That is crossing the line for me. His friends dedicate songs to him as if he’s a dead hero. Don’t try to tell us all that you put up a page titled FREE FAHLMAN, on which you bitch and moan about how unfair it is that he’s in prison, yet you really understand how he deserved his sentence. ”

    Who is calling for him to be freed? tell me! Who is saying that the justice system is wrong? tell me! Dedicating songs to a person who loved good music IS IN NO SHAPE OR FORM WRONG. INFACT YOU ARE WRONG FOR THINKING SO. SO, I will conclude by saying, as the creator of this page, I fully understand his sentencing and in my opinion, I think he got off pretty darn well considering the circumstance. I created this page not to make a proposition or statement that he is not a guilty man. I created this page to free HIS MIND from the nightmare he has and still is living. SO there. There is your definition of Free Fahlman direct from the creator that you and so many others have, like with everything else in this case- have jumped to assumptions about with little to no fact. Get your facts straight before slandering so many people over a Gay Conservative site. It makes me think…is this your way of covering up your insecurities and anger at those that disagree with your sexual orientation??!! must be tough…but I wish you well on your fight…

  39. Dub D –

    I’m Mel Maguire, the author of the original post. Since you didn’t read most of the post itself and none of the comments, I’ll help you out. A little about me: I’m a lesbian (read: WOMAN), former corrections officer, currently working full-time as a fraud investigator and part-time as an EMT. I’m a musician, artist, writer, philosopher, aunt, sister, daughter, friend and partner. That’s me in a nutshell.

    First I want to address your accusation of hate. That is a hollow argument – it is intellectually lazy, and maliciously so. I do not even hate the man who murdered one of my closest friends; I certainly do not hate Tyler Fahlman. He isn’t worth that kind of energy. I am VERY careful about using the word “hate” – mostly because I find it is typically overused by liberal Democrats who only wish to discredit arguments that they disagree with when they have no valid argument. That pretty much sums up the body of your comments. The same people who have accused me of hate have more than once become physically violent with me over my political stance. Your claim that I’m “seeing red” and “speaking in hate” is silly at best.

    Second, your belief that “there will come a day when Ty is out and doing bigger things than you EVER will” depends entirely on what you consider important. You obviously don’t know who I am, what I do or what my aspirations are. As I recall, Tyler wanted to break into the film industry. I was in the film and music industries long enough to know that those people are rich and famous, and completely screwed up. I’m sure that, at some point, he very well might make more money than me, but that is no way to judge whether a person is doing bigger and better things than those who work in public safety. At least what I do means something more than money. That’s why I do it. So if money and social status is where your emphasis is, you are a sad character indeed.

    Third, you missed my point completely. Just like all of your friends before you, you had an emotional reaction about someone disagreeing with your rotten behavior and the best you could come up with was character assassination (and a very poorly spelled one at that). My point was simple. Tyler flew past a line of cars stopped at a red light, blew the light and hit and killed a cop while driving drunk. Had he been both sober *and* it was the first time, I would agree that it was a mistake that he could learn from. It was not, however. Tyler could have learned from getting caught throwing that kegger. He damn sure should have learned from getting drunk and crashing into someone’s home. This was no mistake. After his prior mistakes, he drove himself and a friend to a festival where he sucked down several vodka/Red Bull concoctions before making the very conscious decision to get behind the wheel. THEN, he ran away, never bothered to tell anyone what he’d done until the police came knocking, and when he had his day in court he bought a top-notch defense who got him the lowest sentence they could argue – all while claiming he was sorry for what he’d done. Yes, it came across as being slightly disingenuous.

    Now, to respond to a few specific comments…

    “For you to say “Perhaps Tyler’s family needs to let him rot and not visit him.” is in every sense of the word UNWARRANTED.”

    I never said anything even remotely like that. None of us have, not once. You are either misinterpreting this in an emotional fit or you’re deliberately lying, much the way liberals do when they call me a hatemongering, self-loathing closet case. What I DID say was that I have no problem with you visiting or supporting him – I take issue with the way the site and comments were presented. I do not speak for Rob’s family or friends, but they saw all of that. The whole thing was unbelievably inconsiderate. Imagine your best friend has served his community for over a decade when, one day, he’s killed while doing his job by a guy who was committing a crime he’d committed before and never been punished for. How would you feel, after all of that, to see the perp’s friends and family saying the things that were said on that page? You didn’t think about it from THEIR perspective, did you? If you cannot see how seriously fucked up that is, then there’s no help for you.

    “…not only because pegs weren’t meant for pegs…”

    If you said that to a gay liberal, they would instantly brand you a hatemonger and scream that you owe the entire community a mea culpa. I know better. You’re just a dumbass. You have all stricken me as run-of-the-mill Democrats, yet you say something this shallow and ignorant? You have beautifully proven my point that anti-gay sentiment knows no ideological boundary. Of course, you’re not the only one…your buddy J.R. made a similarly tasteless remark.

    “I am dumbfounded how this thread ended up on a blog of this theme”

    Well, you got part of that right. I have to know, what do you think our theme is? The title of the blog is “Gay Conservative” – do you really think that we only discuss gay issues? We write about all kinds of current events. Each of us has a different focus. Philip likes foreign policy issues. Steve is adept at elections, political candidates and the press. Mark tends to write about national and state political issues. Chris, when he was with us, wrote about objectivism and frequently cited Ayn Rand. I have a particular passion for criminal justice. This is not the first time I have written about a specific case. If you’d read around a little bit, you might be able to get a better handle on it.

    “A loving parent, or friend (which you probably have 0 since your words strongly suggest you know NO loyalty) would stick by theres until the end.”

    And you people tell me that I’M judgmental…I’m actually quite loyal. Any of my friends would tell you that. They would also tell you that my loyalty is not blind. Each and every one of them knows that if they ever do what Tyler did and refuse to better themselves or spend the rest of their lives trying to right their wrong, they don’t deserve my loyalty. Blind loyalty to any person, regardless of word or deed, is extremely dangerous. Something I have learned in life is that sometimes you have to cut ties and not allow a person back into your life. If any one of my friends had repeatedly done what Tyler did, they would have been out of my life the instant that cop was killed, and I would have sat in the cop’s family’s section to support them during trial. EVERY ONE OF MY FAMILY AND FRIENDS KNOWS AND RESPECTS THAT ABOUT ME.

    “You guys can waste all of your time and blow fuses over your anger and hatred- and for what? NOTHING.”

    Nobody has blown a fuse. I stated both fact and opinion, which is what I do with my free time on occasion. What I do is not for nothing, either. It’s a small step toward helping our society remember the difference between right and wrong (not to mention knowing when to stop giving a person second and third chances). Look at it this way: bullying is horrible. I was bullied as a kid. I survived and became a well-balanced adult. I don’t believe in bullying legislation – rather, I believe in exposing bullying for what it is and making it socially unacceptable. In the same vein, I believe every person should do what they can to expose injustice and poor manners so that society doesn’t forget how to treat each other.

    “You can keep trying to kick someone who is down…”

    How did he get there? All on his own. He made his own choices, and he made them with not-so-astonishing regularity. I’m not kicking someone who is down, I’m speaking truth.

    “Who is calling for him to be freed? tell me! Who is saying that the justice system is wrong? tell me!”

    If you would read the *entire* post, you’d have seen it. I cut-and-pasted all of the comments, spelling/grammar errors and all, directly into this missive. Robin Pels wrote, “I think about Ty often and just think the whole situations sucks. They (the law officials) could have turned this into a positive instead of ruining so many lives. Ty has a lot to offer and could have done so much for the topic other sitting in a cell..makes me sick.” That was only one of a slew of similar comments from others on that page (which I noticed has been made private). If my hard drive hadn’t crashed since this was written, I’d still have the actual screenshots, but that is irrelevant at this point. Deny it all you want – I got it from you and your friends.

    “Dedicating songs to a person who loved good music IS IN NO SHAPE OR FORM WRONG.”

    I didn’t say it was wrong. I said it was silly. The song he dedicated was a rap song written by a thug about doing time and bragging about going back to his thug life. Sorry, but it was so pathetic that I actually laughed aloud. (It’s worth pointing out some of the lyrics of that song…”I still don’t believe the pen is no place for no man”, yet another allusion to the popular idea that Tyler doesn’t deserve prison.) Tyler was never, is not, and never will be a thug. He’s a white kid from a wealthy family who tried to be tougher than he really was.

    “By naming the group FREE FAHLMAN- this never once was intended to imply he should be Free…”

    I call bullshit. You’re backpedaling now. The problem is that the explanation is so farfetched, so utterly foolish that it’s insulting. You could have named that group a number of things to properly convey something like that. You could have named it ANYTHING other than “Free Fahlman.” That group name, coupled with the classless comments and song lyrics, makes it perfectly clear exactly what you and your friends believe. Again, deny all you like – Clinton denied having sex with Monica Lewinsky, too. Everyone knew better.

    “…is this your way of covering up your insecurities and anger at those that disagree with your sexual orientation??!!”

    Are you kidding? This from the pole-smoking assweasel who wrote “pegs weren’t meant to go with pegs”? I have no issue at all with people who disagree with my orientation. I have close friends who disagree with my orientation, I still love them dearly and spend time with them and we respect each other’s beliefs. That is an art that you apparently never learned. They have the common sense to have a civil conversation about it IF the subject happens to come up (which is rare) and be respectful, and I do the same. I know that sort of thing is foreign territory for you, but it’s never too late to learn.

    “…plus this whole thread just goes to show u people have entirely too much time on your hands.”

    Yet you felt it necessary to write not one but TWO long-winded, error-ridden missives in response. This remark is even more ludicrous than the claim that I’m being hateful. It’s a sophomoric attempt at offending me into shutting up, which will never happen. At least I can construct a proper sentence and respond intelligently. You can’t even get your facts straight.

    To answer your first question, yes, I do believe in redemption. In order for one to be redeemed, however, one must first acknowledge the horror of their crime, admit their role in committing it, and accept all of the repercussions that follow without protest. Once all of that is done, then yes, a person can work toward redemption. It is not something that happens overnight. To expect it automatically so soon is – what was the word Tyler used at his sentencing? Oh, yeah…SELFISH – as the crime itself. Redemption comes with penitence or not at all.

  40. Mel, Get a life. You contradict yourself time and time again. You say you are not full of hate;not seeing red- yet you have the tenacity to call me a “pole smoking ass weasel”. In your sick sad little world are those not words of hate? are those not words that demonstrate BULLYING in each and every sense of the word? And to say you were once bullied…wow. Either you have lost the feeling of what it is like to be bullied or maybe it just makes you feel better to channel your pain and misery from an unfortunate time in your life (which I am very sorry for) all to take it out on someone else. Fortunately I have thick skin and could care less what all you alike haters deem, say or do.The sad thing is much like you said in regards to yourself- You do you know ME. You have made countless assumptions about me. It’s called profiling. Profiling is wrong which makes you WRONG along with all the countless others that have done the same in light of this matter. Is it our fault us “spoiled snobby rich trust fund people” were blessed with a fortunate up bringing? A lot of people seem to think so. A lot of people also seem to think that the parents are to blame. Nobody on this damn thread knows any of us or our families. To judge character without knowing any is also where all of you are terribly wrong. Now, do you believe that good things happen to good people? If so, you should also recognize that MOST people that have earned a good living (like our parents) and support their families most likely have busted their selfless asses, done good by everyone and everything that mattered along the way, set good examples and made sure that everyone they love and care about follows in their footsteps and are taken care of. You can go ahead and judge all of the people on this page all you want- but the fact that you are doing it based on music we listen to, movies we watch and the way some people talk/type their words is a fucking joke. All the people in this thread are judgmental because they have nothing else to do but assume and get their rocks of with words they think may break us down. Not happening. If all of you want the facts about us so you can have something REAL to judge then just ask! As the creator and admin of this group- I can honestly say I know just about everyone that is in this closed group. They all are good people that contribute good things to society. I wouldn’t let someone in this group that wasn’t or didn’t. We all are success stories- not based off of money- but the people we are- and as I said above, is it anyone’s fault that good livings have come our way as a direct result of our positive contributions to society and life in general? You made another insult; another one of your countless judgments by calling me a sad character because you ASSUMED that my emphasis is placed upon money and social status- and again you are so WRONG. You said nobody said anything to the likes of ” perhaps tylers family should let him rot in prison”..please open your eyes a bit more before ,again, making assumptions about my emotional state or calling me a liar and read John’s post. Your saying you would cut ties with a dear friend if they led a life of mistakes is your choice, your stance- but as you can see- A lot of people know Ty and the man that he really CAN BE so we stand by his side and support him with hopes he HAS finally accepted and learned from his mistakes and ultimately, permanently become the good person we all know lies inside of him. That sucks you would sell out your friend if you were in my shoes and essentially let your friend’s hope and spirit die. CONTRADICTION. AGAIN. When are you going to stop crossing your own words up?? cuz you say” To answer your first question, yes, I do believe in redemption. In order for one to be redeemed, however, one must first acknowledge the horror of their crime, admit their role in committing it, and accept all of the repercussions that follow without protest.”…Well, for your information, I am as close as it gets to Ty and I know 100% with out a doubt he has acknowledged, admitted and accepted all he has done and consequently is now in a much better place mentally and physically. Again, you are jumping to the assumption that Ty is in jail saying to himself “what am I doing here I don’t belong here, I didn’t do anything wrong.” I know it will probably boil the blood of all of the anti-Ty camp. to read this, but Ty is alive and well. He is upbeat in spirit every time I visit him and all he thinks and talks about is the bright life that still lies ahead of him upon completion of paying his dues. He will still be young and lively upon his release and the support will be exponentially greater upon his release considering how limited and regulated support is for him during his incarceration. So if we are able to make noise with a little supportive social media group..then I’d proudly say we are succeeding. Lastly, you call BULLSHIT in regards to the name I gave the group. What the fuck do you know…you know nothing. your words are ugly and solidify the ONLY assumption I will ever make about you and the others in this thread: YOU ARE LOW LIFES WITH NOTHING BETTER TO DO THAN MAKE FAILED ATTEMPTS AT CREATING A WALL BETWEEN US AND TY. I told you why I named the group what it is named and I could give 2 shits how yourself or anyone else for that matter, interpret my words. If that means you think there is no hope for me than I got some ocean front property in Arizona to sell you- I bet you believe that too because ME & NO HOPE just don’t go together. This is most def. my visit and last post on this ridiculous hate filled thread so you may not want to waste your time & ammo coming back at me with another novel of sewage. save it for all the other sewers on this page. I’m a happy, healthy, successful and loved individual just like all my other “spoiled trustfund-baby friends” (or so they think). Nada will still my shine. It’s a beautiful life and my friend will be back to enjoy it sooner than later.

  41. Wow. so I am up working late in my beautiful La Jolla, CA. residence and just received a notification that more responses have been posted to this thread. I showed your post to a bunch of dear friends the other day and the fact that someone just wrote the above acting as ME to defend my stance on all of the above has left my speechless. they couldn’t have said it any better. The above is exactly what I would have written if I had the time and maybe MORE. There are countless more ways to blast your last post Mel, but I will settle for what was said above because it was said by someone that knows everything about me and who I am. Thank you A.Y.P.C.S.M.F.D. for defending me- by the way I’ll have to figure out what this means I bet it’s fucking hilarious…Mel, as you can see we are a tight knit family of individuals that have eachother’s backs. The support won’t go away. I agree however that our time is done here so I second the whole- “don’t even waste your time” responding because it won’t be read. laterz.

  42. oh and p.s.: who gives a shit about proper grammar and your whole “I cut-and-pasted all of the comments, spelling/grammar errors and all, directly into this missive.” in the heat of this argument do u think any one cares about taking the time to make sure their posts are ready for publication!?! what a joke. Maybe you should become an english teacher or something. It’s amazing how all of your i’s are dotted and t’s are crossed- you must be so proud. I only wish I could place periods and commas like yourself…

  43. “yet you have the tenacity to call me a “pole smoking ass weasel” ”

    Since the word “tenacity” essentially means “ideologically cohesive”, I assume you meant “temerity”, which basically describes a contempt of opposition. And yes, I did call you that – only after you blatantly insulted me and all of those who support my view here. Or don’t you recall saying “pegs weren’t meant for pegs”? Yes, that is rather offensive to a group of gay people and their supporters. I dare you to say that to a gay leftist and see what their reaction is.

    “In your sick sad little world are those not words of hate?”

    Not when they are properly earned. I can see that I’ve gotten to you, too.

    “Fortunately I have thick skin and could care less what all you alike haters deem, say or do.”

    Yet you came back to bitch, complain and insult me some more. You are another in a long line to come onto this very thread and insult and threaten me, yet I’m the bully? You are an ass.

    “You have made countless assumptions about me. It’s called profiling.”

    Not hard to do when you fit the modus operandi perfectly. And if profiling is wrong, then how do you get to call me a “hater” without knowing me? Hypocrisy is an irritation that I do not suffer gladly.

    “Is it our fault us “spoiled snobby rich trust fund people” were blessed with a fortunate up bringing?”

    I never said anything of the sort. Freud would have a field day with the fact that YOU said it, though.

    “To judge character without knowing any is also where all of you are terribly wrong.”

    Again, I redirect you to your repeated accusations of hate on my part.

    “…making assumptions about my emotional state or calling me a liar and read John’s post.”

    Since John DID say that, I stand corrected to a degree – but I, personally, never said it nor did I agree with it. In fact I said the opposite. Your original assignment of that phrase to me is still wrong.

    “You can go ahead and judge all of the people on this page all you want- but the fact that you are doing it based on music we listen to, movies we watch and the way some people talk/type their words is a fucking joke.”

    I wasn’t judging anyone based on the movies they watch or the music they listen to. I was making a comment on what was said as it relates to the page itself and to Ty’s current situation. You cannot possibly tell me that any sane, rational person could have seen all of that and not believed immediately that you all believed that it was wrong to imprison him and he needed to be set free. Even people who knew nothing about the case drew that inference. If that was all you took away from what I’ve said, then the joke is on YOU.

    “When are you going to stop crossing your own words up??”

    Actually, I never contradicted myself. You missed the point yet again (I’m pretty sure you never wanted to understand it to begin with). Allow me to repeat it: if any person in my life, friend or relative, continually made choices that led to disastrous results (driving drunk, crashing into people’s homes, crashing into other people) and ALWAYS tried to find an easy way out, they would no longer be in my life. I would have had a hell of a lot more respect for Ty and all of you if a) he hadn’t hired a lawyer to argue his sentence down as far as it could go, and b) that outrageously disrespectful page hadn’t been erected for the whole of the public to see before you made it private INCLUDING the Targosz family.

    “Again, you are jumping to the assumption that Ty is in jail saying to himself…”

    I’ve done no such thing. I saw what was written and wrote an opinion of what was being said by his group of friends. I also gave my opinion on his repeated refusals to stop drinking, stop driving while drunk, and do the right thing for once.

    “I know it will probably boil the blood of all of the anti-Ty camp. to read this…”

    Now you are making the very assumptions that you accused me of. The difference is that I based my opinion off of plenty of evidence, including your own insults. You are having a conniption because you can’t admit being wrong.

    “your words are ugly and solidify the ONLY assumption I will ever make about you and the others in this thread…”

    No, that is not the only assumption you’ve made. You’ve called us hatemongers. You’ve said we were wrong. You’ve put words in my mouth on more than one occasion. One of your buddies all but threatened me. I got one private email that was so bad I forwarded it to the police. MY words are ugly? Hey, if the truth hurts…

    Yet again, I point out that I never attempted to build any kind of “wall” between Ty and his friends. What I commented on in your relationship with him was your piss-poor way of sharing it with the public. Did you miss that part, or were you simply ignoring it? I’d tend to believe the latter, considering the fact that you keep coming back to hurl more insults.

    “save it for all the other sewers on this page.”

    At least they are written properly and I can prove that I have an education. I’d fight to the death for your right to keep your trust fund, but I still think you’re a jackass and have the right to tell you so.

    “It’s a beautiful life and my friend will be back to enjoy it sooner than later.”

    Yes, and Rob and his family have had that taken from them. I just thought I’d point that out. I just hope that when Ty does get out, he stays away from the booze.

    “I am up working late in my beautiful La Jolla, CA. residence…”

    Ah, yes…the snotty neighborhood of San Diego. My dad’s family owns a ranch in Katy, TX and my mom’s family owns a very nice property on the rim of Tecolote Canyon (yes, that is San Diego). That you would point out where you live just proves that your only emphasis is on money and social status. I love visiting my family and friends in SoCal (including Beverly Hills and Yorba Linda, up near LA), but I could never live there. I can’t live in any area that makes it illegal for me to defend myself.

    “There are countless more ways to blast your last post Mel…”

    Well, I just got off work. I have time. Be my guest.

    “Mel, as you can see we are a tight knit family of individuals that have eachother’s backs.”

    Fantastic. I have a pretty tight-knit group myself, except that they aren’t allowed to comment on the issue because they carry badges and they knew Rob. BTW, I don’t believe for one instant that that was someone else. The writing style is all yours, Dub D. I did not reach the rank I now hold without knowing how to spot certain similarities.

    “in the heat of this argument do u think any one cares about taking the time to make sure their posts are ready for publication!?!”

    I have written this entire response in under ten minutes. I have long made a habit of using proper spelling, grammar and punctuation; it is second nature to me when I type here or write reports at work. If it is not second nature to you, then I would ask where you were educated. You write like a teenager pitching a fit.

    “Maybe you should become an english teacher or something.”

    I could, but I do not have the patience for it, especially in a day and age when kids are not punished anymore when they deliberately break the rules. One does not need to be a teacher to make themselves understood in proper English. If you cannot do such simple things, then you won’t get very far in the business world.

    “I agree however that our time is done here so I second the whole- “don’t even waste your time” responding because it won’t be read. laterz.”

    Aw, you’re letting me have the last word…that is certainly nice of you. Enjoy your morning.

  44. By the by, even if I don’t get an email address, as an administrator, I get an IP address on every person who comments. I’m enough of a nerd to know what I’m seeing when I look at an IP.

    All three of the previous comments are from the same friggin’ IP. They were not written by two different people. It was the same idiot pretending to have backup.

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