The Criminal Revolving Door

I’m going to post a video blog tomorrow in relation to the 9/11 anniversary…for now, I have something else to gripe about. Yesterday, a couple robbed a Glendale car wash at around 0100. At that ungodly hour, nobody is driving; pretty well everyone but the weird ones are at home, maintaining their circadian rhythms. This couple was caught, but they fled, driving at speeds of 70 mph on surface streets. Police decided for some reason that it was too dangerous and didn’t pursue the vehicle. Shortly after that decision was made, the couple fled on foot and entered the home of a married couple in their mid-50’s.

They shot both, killing the husband and critically wounding the wife.

First, meet Rene Durgin. He’s better known as Arizona inmate #178146. In 2002, he racked up his first major offense as an adult (he was just barely 18 and had been in and out of the juvenile justice system): dangerous drug use and possession of paraphernalia. He was sentenced to three years of probation. Less than one year later, in early 2003, he was caught violating probation when he was caught yet again with the same dangerous drug and associated paraphernalia (for the unbaptized, that means the tools with which to cut and use the drug, whether by injecting, smoking or snorting). His probation was revoked and then reinstated after a couple of hearings and a promise that “I’ll do better this time, I swear!” Later that very same year, Durgin was arrested for felony theft and his probation was revoked; he was first sentenced to a stint in the MCSO jail, then when the judge realized that he was on probation for two other drug cases, combined the three and he was sentenced to three years in prison.

He was released in 2005 – early enough to be on parole when he was arrested for assault with a deadly weapon. Despite his record and the path they knew he was headed down, they let him plead guilty to nothing more than misconduct involving weapons and listed his crime as non-dangerous and non-repetitive. He was released in March of this year, a full seven months early. He was on parole yesterday when he robbed the car wash and committed murder.

Next meet his girlie-friend, Patricia Mayhorn – Arizona inmate #222166.

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In 2003, Mayhorn was given probation for grand theft auto (the only mention I can find in the legal record is in this court minute entry; I can only guess the felony conviction was in another state). In 2007, she was also arrested for assault with a deadly weapon and after repeated setbacks because she kept absconding and not showing up for trial, she finally plead guilty to misconduct involving weapons. Again they gave her a non-dangerous label, but did call her a repetitive offender. She was also released early, but had at least been out of prison for two years when she helped her mijo commit robbery and murder. What I don’t get is why her sentence was changed; she was first sentenced to four years, six months. Remember how I said that she was given repeat offender status? That, too, was changed.

Now, one person is dead and his wife is critically wounded. Her life will never be even remotely normal again. How did we come to a place in our society where it is acceptable to make deals with criminals just to shove them through a revolving door and end up seeing them again, often in worse condition than they were in before, with new crimes and new victims to take care of? How did we get here?

How did we come to a place in our society where crime is regarded as commonplace, something we wave off as little more than an annoyance? How did we arrive here, where police officers don’t have time to investigate car thefts or home break-ins? To whom do we owe pittance for providing criminals with every loophole they could dream of in order to avoid taking responsibility and actually being punished? When did it become a running cultural joke that prison inmates get free room & board, a free education, free legal representation for any lawsuit they wish to file, and it’s all perfectly normal?!?

Rene Durgin and Patricia Mayhorn never should have been given any deal. There was a time when getting caught with dangerous narcotics would have immediately landed you in prison. Now you get a few years’ probation. I once watched a judge here in Phoenix listen to the long rap sheet of a repeat offender caught breaking into cars and homes to get money for dope do the unthinkable – he asked the offender why he should be given a THIRD opportunity to get clean when, in the past, he’d made the same promises and always broken them, then turned around and said, “okay, you have one chance left…”

Unbelievable. When “this is your last warning” is dismissed offhand by offenders because the next judge will go easy on them, the law holds no weight. When the death penalty is decried as barbaric in any circumstance, criminals don’t mind spending the rest of their lives behind bars. Why should it bother them? They’re taken care of. They don’t have to work. They don’t have to do much of anything, really. I’ve worked in prisons and I can tell you that regardless of what an inmate says, being behind bars doesn’t really bother them – especially not when MTV and VH1 put on reality shows about artists in prison and the music they write.

If we do not shut the criminal revolving door, it will only be downhill from here.

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132 thoughts on “The Criminal Revolving Door

  1. as there is no excuse for taking someones life in defense when you have a mental patient such as patricia mayhorn who beg megellan for help with nurmourous calls and showing up to the office to be told your case manager isn’t available. and her calls never returned. so please explain to me why is the crimes the mentally ill is solely on there shoulders should not the mental health system also be held accountable for not helping those in severe need who beg for help day after day for there crys for help go ignored. she had made several pleas that she was in bad situation and the depression was worsing as patricia is bi polar. megellan was well aware of her illness and chose not to help her. so please tell me when does the system have to do there job.

  2. PLEASE DON’T GET ME WRONG I DON’T CONDONE THE CRIME PATRICIA COMMITTED IT WAS NOT ONLY STUPID AND NEEDLESS. BUT IT COULD HAVE BEEN PREVENTED HAD SOMEONE JUST TOOK THE TIME TO LISTEN TO HER PLEAS FOR HELP.

  3. I also know for a fact that her mother contacted megellan on her daughters behalf. i can only imagine what she must be going thru right now that her daughter has been arrested for such a terrible crime. that again could all have been prevented had someone had taken the time to listen to their pleas for help. What does it take to get the mental health people to do there jobs and to do them right Arizona taxpayers spent $360 million this year to help Maricopa County residents . But a nearly 30-year-old lawsuit, billions of dollars spent and a series of bureaucratic transformations haven’t changed a basic fact: Most of the county’s 23,000 patients with serious mental illness aren’t getting better.The annual state audit of the system’s performance that was released this year found it fails nearly all of its patients on key measures: placing them in stable housing and providing them with a job or other meaningful activity.
    Among those who have not been in jail or hospitalized for their illness, the system failed 86 percent. Among those who have, it failed 83 percent.Magellan said the move would improve the quality of care.
    But the changes brought even more instability. Instead of improving under Magellan, according to the most recent audit, patient care has gotten worse. The declines are substantial and occur in every aspect of care.
    • Patients don’t have adequate teams of doctors, psychiatrists and counselors.
    Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/2009/08/30/20090830mentalhealth0830.html#ixzz0zJwkii8I

  4. I know full well the gaps in the mental health “system” here, so please, don’t preach to me about that. I have read that article. I’ve worked with the mentally ill, too – as an EMT I deal with it regularly. I know what bipolar disorder can do to a person, but murder? I think she committed her crime largely because she was on meth, not because of her bipolar disorder. I think methamphetamines are a far more powerful motivator than mental illness.

    I will wholeheartedly agree that Magellan, like ValueOptions before it, is an abysmal failure. Bipolar or not, Patricia still would have understood that robbery, running from police, and murder are all wrong. My family has dealt with mental illness, drugs and crime, too – I know what it’s like. Never did any of us ever expect the government to take care of the person who was in crisis. I’m not saying that the government isn’t culpable for the failures of the system, however I’m not willing to pin this all on mental illness and dismiss it so she can get off, either.

  5. Another thing worth pointing out since that article was put in print…Magellan has had to cut services drastically because the State cut their funding. I get called to more mental health crises now because of it, and while I can’t delve into specifics, I can tell you that a lot of the resources we would normally give are either defunct or temporarily on hold. We, as a society, have to decide what we’re willing to cut to save such programs and resources.

  6. I may be reading it wrong, but it seems like what I’m reading in the anonymous comments are, “It’s not her fault, she was sick.”

    I just can’t hear that and not want to puke. I can’t. Mental illness aside – and I do realize how terrible the effects of mental illness are- someone is DEAD and she did it. It is her fault. Someone is DEAD. They will never come back. Their family will never have them, other than a small plot of grass with perhaps a stone bench.

    I don’t care how mentally ill she is – a three year old child knows not to kill. What makes this criminal’s life worth more than that of the person she murdered? Because, in effect by saying it wasn’t her fault and looking for excuses, one is giving the excuses more weight in the equation than the person whose life has been ended.

    It makes me sick.

  7. In over ten years of hearing appeals, I was reguarly baffled by the number of “broomed” incidents got by lower courts. What I found so profound was, that with appellants’ full records before me (past largesse evident) , they felt those exceptions should garner even more.
    What you provide here is an example of some justices seeking “peace and quiet” over “law and order”. Every excemption stretches the elasticity of an otherwise fair system. Ironically, it’s the frequent offenders that still get the ‘bennies’.
    So many times admissons of guilt and expressions of remorse are accepted as closing the issue. That’s a farce. Confession is one thing. Accepting guilt or culpabiility is another. Reckoning with society is equally imortant. When social responsibility is made irrrelevent, crimes against society gain momentum and their severity are marginalized.
    As a Roman Catholic I’ve never been issue discount coupons or penance specials.

  8. AFW, good point.

    Shawmut, you bring up a very good point. My parents both admitted when I got older that they didn’t care about justice when I and my two siblings were kids. They wanted QUIET. They didn’t care who pinched whom or who threw whose stuffed bear in the toilet. They wanted us to quit yelling at each other. I see the modern justice system much the same way. In one of those conversations with my dad, I said, “didn’t you ever think that justice would bring quiet more quickly than merely demanding quiet?” He agreed.

    I like the story of David Berkowitz – the Son of Sam. Not because of what he did, but because of his desire to actually pay the penalty for his crimes. The man was paranoid schizophrenic. I did a study on the case and found pictures that police had taken of his apartment. He really, truly was mentally disturbed. I do not question whether or not his crimes were the result of hearing voices after seeing all of the evidence in his case. However, rather than saying, “I’m sick, I just need treatment, I’ll get better faster if I’m free,” he admitted full culpability for his crimes. Today, he refuses to give interviews or accept offers to write or collaborate on movies about his killing spree. He also refuses to go to his parole hearings. He readily admits that he needs to be behind bars for what he did. He doesn’t necessarily want to be in prison, but he accepts it as the consequences of his actions. Berkowitz is an inspiration to some degree, I think. He is, however, the exception to the rule.

    The VERY RARE exception.

  9. AS FOR YOU STATEMENTS I WAS NOT MAKING EXCUSES FOR PATRICIA SHE DOES HAVE TO FACE A JURY OF HER PEERS. AND SHE HAS TO FACE GOD HIS SELF. AND SHE HAS TO LIVE WITH WHAT SHE HAS DONE FOR THE REST OF HER LIFE. I DID NOT SAY OR MEAN TO IMPLY THAT SHE SHOULD NOT BE AT FAULT . THE TAKING OF ONES LIFE IS WRONG AND I DON’T CARE WHO DOES IT. MAN WOMAN OR CHILD. I WAS JUST STATING A TRUE FACT THAT THIS WOULD OF ALL BEEN AVOIDED HAD THE MENTAL HEALTH SYSTEM HAD DONE THERE JOB AND GAVE HER THE HELP SHE BEGGED FOR FOR A YEAR AND 1/2 SERIOUSLY HOW MUCH DO YOU THINK A PERSON WITH MENTAL ILLNESS CAN TAKE OF HAVING THE DOORS SHUT IN THERE FACE WHEN IN A CRISES. AND CONSTANTLY TOLD OH I WILL CALL YOU TOMORROW OR LEAVE A MESSAGE ON THERE VOICE MAIL THEY DON’T RETURN CALLS AND WHEN YOU GO TO THE OFFICE THEY TELL YOU OH YOU CAN’T TALK TO NO ONE TODAY BUT LET ME SET YOU A APPOINTMENT UP 6 MONTHS DOWN THE RD. THEY PUSH YOU AWAY THEN WHEN THE PERSON EITHER KILLS THEMSELVES OR SOMEONE ELSE THEN ITS TO LATE TO HELP. SO YES I AM BITTER , THEY NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THERE ACTIONS TO.AND HELP THE ONE THAT ARE IN THE MOST DANGER THAT ARE SUCIDAL AND HOMICIDAL. ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY ARE HAVING A PSYCHOTIC BREAK.What Are the Symptoms of Bipolar I Disorder?Abnormal behavior during manic episodes includes:
    In severe manic episodes, a person loses touch with reality. They may become delusional and behave bizarrely.
    * Flying suddenly from one idea to the next
    * Rapid, “pressured,” and loud speech
    * Increased energy, with hyperactivity and a decreased need for sleep
    * Inflated self-image
    * Excessive spending
    * Hypersexuality
    * Substance abuse IMAGINE THAT IT CAUSES THE SUBSTANCE ABUSE THAT ONLY INTENSIFYS THE REACTIONS
    epressive episodes in bipolar disorder are similar to “regular” clinical depression, with depressed mood, loss of pleasure, low energy and activity, feelings of guilt or worthlessness, and thoughts of suicide. SO DON.T TELL ME THAT HER MENTAL ILLNESS DID NOT PLAY APART IN HER OWN SELF DETRUCTION. AND YES SHE IS THE BLAME BUT SO ARE THE MENTAL HEALTH FOR NOT HELPING WHEN BEGGED TO HELP

  10. Annonymous: Please don’t try to turn the criminals into victims. The victims in this case are the friends and families of the two innocent people who were living in that guest house. Not to mention the owners of the main house who now have to pay a bio-hazard crew to clean up the crime scene or the people in the neighborhood who now live in fear.

    My wife and I lived in that guest house for over 3 years and we thank God that we were able to save enough money to buy our own home. Had we still been living there I may not be writing this response and my daughter may not have a father. I believe I’ve heard enough details about the events that took place to tell you first hand that mental illness was not a factor at that moment. Out of respect for the victims as well as the court system I will not share those details in this format.

    It is also important to note that I have first hand experience in dealing with the mental health and court systems as the result of family members who are going through the same thing. Although I believe the current systems are flawed I can not hold that accountable for the actions of others. I respectfully ask that you do the same.

  11. WOW I WOULD BELIEVE THEY HAVE A DUTY OF CARE TO FOLLOW AND YOU CANNOT FAIL THAT ,THATS WHAT THEY TEACH YOU DONT TURN THEM AWAY TAKE THEM SERIOUS THATS ALL THEY WANTED IN THE FIRST PLACE AND THE SYSTEM FAILED AGAIN CHEERS

  12. When God Takes A Love One’s Soul
    There are no words to say
    When a love one dies in such a way
    No poem you can write or painting you can see
    Can take the pain away from thee
    I do know one thing for sure
    A Gentle loving soul took His life away
    Tears will not help, the pain is just to much
    Not even saying a prayer,
    Will help you understand why it came to be
    I am trying to think of something wise
    All I can do is cry
    They say God takes soul in His own time
    If that is true , why do I hurt so bad without you
    Please send me an angel, one who knows
    What does it all mean in God’s eye
    The day is dark like the world came to an end
    Will life ever have a beginning again
    God take this soul who took his life
    To heaven so he may live in eternity

    © by Linda Ann Henry

  13. I believe everyone involved is a victim. As no one has the right to take another’s life.
    As a person who has been thru the abuse of the system as a child. No one came to my aide to save me. yet i turned out to be a good person and to help those in need. Even though everyone is RESPONSIBLE for there own actions in life. This indeed was a horrible event and both families will never be the same again. One family has lost a loved one and one in critical conditition and we all pray another life is not lost. And we all can agree that the shooting was needless and not fair. Then you have the other family she is someones daughter.Can you imagine how they must feel wondering how did this happen. And wishing they could take the place of the ones shot. My heart goes out to both families involved. While there is no excuse for anyone to take anothers life or hurt a child crime is all stupid and needless and alot of people suffer from these actions. And everyone is held accountable for what they do in life. And God will judge everyone
    “VENGEANCE IS MINE”, sayeth the Lord. From Leviticus in the Old Testament to Romans in the New, both Christians and Jews have been told to never seek vengeance against one another, “but you shall love your neighbor as yourself: I am the Lord”. (Leviticus 19:18)
    Every Christian child who ever went to Sunday school learned, “Do not be overcome with evil, but overcome evil with good”, and “Therefore if your enemy hungers, feed him”. (Romans 12:21/20)You shall not kill. [Ex. 20:13] I rather leave my judgement up to God, for I should bear no judgement, only discretion (a choice upon my own stature God puts upon me.) I say this because I hate the sin and sinful spirits and not the sinner.

  14. To be kind and thoughtful to our fellow man by making a strangers day a little happier or a family member, a friend, anyone at all!! Do something nice or thoughtful, the gesture can be as simple as a hello to someone who needs it to brighten up their day or something greater than that; it’s up to you what you want to do for someone; there is no wrong way to show your benevolence!!!! A World of HOPE…. it begins with YOU!!

  15. “When people are dealing with mental health issues, they are not in their right state of mind,” “They are not rational and often times it leads to a confrontation – whether it’s with an officer or other people in society and sometimes violence results and even death.”I think budget cuts, whether it deals with people being released early from prison or jail or people not being able to receive the proper mental health care, all of those, contribute to crime within our city.””The state is broke, but to pick–on mental illness is going to be a critical thing, not just to us but to society,” “Sometimes we don’t understand when someone has an illness and sometimes people say we can just pull up our boot straps and move on, but sometimes we can’t.”

  16. The death penalty is “inappropriate” for people with mental illness and a focus on such punishment rather than preventive treatment contributes to violence, charges a new report from the National Alliance on Mental Illness (NAMI) and Murder Victims’ Families for Human Rights.
    The report titled “Double Tragedies” is based on interviews with family members of murder victims and families of those with mental illness who have been executed. Members of both of these groups are coming together for the first time to oppose the death penalty and advocate an improved mental health care system.
    The report calls the death penalty “inappropriate and unwarranted” for people with mental illness. Further, it says the practice is “a distraction from problems within the mental health system that contributed or even directly led to tragic violence.”
    In many cases documented in the report, people with mental illness were only provided treatment after committing murder.
    Already the U.S. Supreme Court has deemed the death penalty unconstitutional for those with mental retardation and juvenile offenders. But more than 100 people with mental illness have been put to death and hundreds more are currently on death row.
    In order to change the current cycle, the report recommends banning the death penalty for people with severe mental illness, establishing a focus on treatment and creating better support and understanding for families on both sides of any violence involving a person with mental illness.
    “Most people with mental illness are not violent,” said NAMI executive director Mike Fitzpatrick. “When violent tragedies occur they are exceptional — because something has gone terribly wrong, usually in the mental health care system. Tragedies are compounded and all our families suffer.”
    The full report can be found by clicking here.

  17. This is a perfect example of what is wrong with our society. We coddle criminals and keep giving them chances. People like these are menaces to our society and should be removed from the streets forever. How many people are killed or seriously injured in armed robberies, assaults, high speed chases, drunk driving incidents, drug deals, sexual assaults, etc. How many times has the perpetrator been convicted of the same or a similar incident in the past? I get so sick of reading stories about someone who committed a crime or fled the police and injured an innocent third party only to then read that this perp has a mile long rapsheet. We need to change the law so that there are no plea bargains in violent crimes and make them punishable by long prison sentences. We also need to make a law that says anyone who commits a second violent crime after release from prison is sentenced to death.

  18. I THINK INSTEAD OF EVERYONE FOCUSING ON HOW MANY ILLEGALS ARE IN THE COUNTRY THEY NEED TO FOCUS ON GATHERING UP ALL THE CRIMINALS.
    THE POLICE SHOULD HAVE TO GO OUT AND SEARCH AND ARREST ALL THE LAW BREAKERS AND THE PEOPLE HAVE A DUTY TO REPORTS CRIMES INSTEAD OF HIDING OR SAYING OH I DON’T CARE TO GET INVOLVED. YOU CAN’T CLEAN THE STREETS OR YOUR NEIGHBORHOODS UP FROM CRIME IF YOU DON’T WANT TO BE INVOLVED. THEN WHEN IT HITS NEAR YOUR HOME THEN YOU COMPLAIN EVERYONE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR WHERE AND HOW THEY CHOSE TO LIVE. YOU HAVE TO MAKE A CHOICE TO GET INVOLVED AND CLEAN UP THE CRIME IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOODS REPORT THE DRUG DEALERS REPORT THE ROBBERS REPORT EVERYONE THAT ARE LAWBREAKERS. YOU TALK ABOUT THE LAW CODDLING PEOPLE AND THE COURTS . WHAT ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO WON’T COME FORWARD TO STEP IN AND REPORT THE CRIMES THEY SEE THEY ARE JUST AS GUILTY AS THE PERSON THAT IS DOING THE CRIME WHEN THEY LOOK THE OTHER WAY. OH THATS RIGHT THEY DON’T WANT TO GET INVOLVED.

  19. That is a sad post Mel. In our nation’s committment to “fair play” we may be doing more harm than good.

    Last year I was watching Judge Judy. The defenedant in this case owed his ex girlfriend bail money. He had three go arounds with the police for petty possession of marijuana. The first two times it was probation vs. jail or prison. But the 3rd time he ended up in jail and hated it. When he got out he changed his ways because jail and prison are rotten places. That’s the good news. The bad news is he has 3 crimes on his record.

    Judge Judy told the man it would have been better if he had been tossed in jail the 1st time around. The nasty awful experience of jail would stick with him and save him 2 more arrests. But in our nation we have the sense of Fair Play so locking someone up for their first crime doesn’t fit well. But it might be the best thing for some.

    So maybe for 1st time offenders the best thing to do is lock them up and let them get a good taste of jail life?

  20. John, I agree. If the bad guys got locked up on the first go-around, I think a taste of what jail and/or prison are like might well sober them up.

    The problem that I have with the “mental health” argument is that many people will argue that they’re mentally ill just to get away with what they did. I have seen multiple people claim mental illness when there was none. I have seen the prison system dump difficult inmates in mental health units because they don’t want to really deal with them, maybe send them to SHU/SMU. Often those inmates will laugh as they enter the unit – their time just got easier. Mental health units in prisons get special privileges and they know it.

    I still don’t buy that bipolar disorder drove her to use meth, commit robbery, then commit murder. I used to live in that neighborhood, too, and if it had been me they stumbled across, I would not have asked why they were there. I would have waited in the shadows, put two rounds in both their center mass areas, then put a third round in their foreheads to make sure they didn’t get up again. I’m a damn good shot – I’ve put a lot of time into honing that skill.

    If anybody out there has any question about what the possible consequences are, they should remember that this is Arizona. We are allowed to defend ourselves here.

  21. CONFUSED makes a good point. “I THINK INSTEAD OF EVERYONE FOCUSING ON HOW MANY ILLEGALS ARE IN THE COUNTRY THEY NEED TO FOCUS ON GATHERING UP ALL THE CRIMINALS.”
    And why not include Criminal Illegals. They seem to count more as recipients of our legal largesse than citizens. They get legal representation covered by antidiscrimination lawyers who, funded by bothe interest groups and the government, are paid higher than public defenders.
    Crime is crime, with or without a passport. It takes full consent of the will (in any language).
    As far as taking into consideration those circumstances where we find mental or emotional factors we have to qualify them. There is a tendency, when arguing an action, to “add-affliction’n’stir”, and the next we know the personalization of a crime is walking down the court-house steps clutching for the future his or her learned behavior – and a life subscription to “Psychology Today”.
    If an (mental) illness is a qualifier it must be monitored as we do cancer, HIV, or any other metasticizing affliction. A flash-back can serve to generate behavior with the same facility as a dorment predatory cell.

  22. Mel:

    If a person is mentally ill and commits a crime then so what? Are they mentally ill under the law? In many states if you understood the difference between right and wrong when the illegal act was committed then you are not criminally insane under the law. People with all sorts of mental illeness know right from wrong and they don’t a break from that. Defense attorneys rarely use the Insanity defense because it rarely works. So go ahead and say the devil or the drugs or the depression made me do it. That won’t fly because it rarely does.

  23. “The death penalty is “inappropriate” for people with mental illness “\

    People who are mentally ill can’t be executed. There are death row inmates who have done insane in prison and did not get the needle.

  24. LIKE I SAID LOOK AT THE STATICS Arrests of Illegal Immigrants Are average of 1205 arrests a day.Phoenix Police Apr 20, 2010 … But the problem was nothing new, as the number of fugitive felons whose crimes … The unit now registers more than 200 arrests a month, he said. … thieves, rapists and other serious criminals . NOW PEOPLE ICE arrests 370 convicted criminal aliens. YOU AS HARD WORKING DECENT PEOPLE YOU SEE THE NUMBERS WHICH WOULD YOU PERFER TO HAVE THE ONES ARRESTED THE ILLEGAL PEOPLE OR THE CRIMINALS . ME MYSELF I WOULD RATHER THEY WENT AFTER ALL THE CRIMINALS THE ILLEGAL ONES TO THAT ARE ACTUALLY BREAKING THE LAW SO OUR CHILDREN CAN HAVE A SAFER PLACE TO LIVE WHERE PEOPLE DON’T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT BEING ROBBED CARJACKED RAPED OR MURDERED . DO YOU SEE THEY FOCUS ON THE ILLEGALS INSTEAD OF THE REAL CRIMINALS THAT WALK OUR STREETS EVERYDAY AND THREATENING EVERYONE SAFETY. YOU GET THE CRIMINALS OFF THE STREETS YOU ALSO GET THE ILLEGALS TO AS YOUR LOOKING FOR THE CRIMINALS WHY JUST FOCUS ON ONE AREA. I WOULD RATHER HAVE THE HONEST MEXICANS WALKING OUR STREETS THEN THE KILLERS AND RAPIEST AND MUGGERS AND CARJACKERS. CALL ME CRAZY BUT I TRULY BELIEVE THEY HAVE THEIR PRIORITIES MIXED UP. CRIMINALS FIRST THEN GO AFTER THE OTHER GUYS. I WOULD RATHER SEE 1205 arrests a day OF THE CRIMINALS WOULDN’T YOU THEN THERE 200 A MONTH.

  25. EVERYONE HAS A RIGHT TO THERE OPINION. PEOPLE TELL ME ALL THE TIME I AM NOT A GOOD MOTHER YOU KNOW WHY BECAUSE IT TAKES ME 2 SECONDS TO CALL THE LAW AND HAVE ONE OF MY CHILDREN ARRESTED. I AM A FIRM BELIEVER YOU DO THE CRIME YOU DO THE TIME. AND CONFUSED IS RIGHT IF YOU TURN THE OTHER WAY THEN YES YOU ARE AS GUILTY AS THE PERSON YOU JUST SEEN COMMIT A CRIME. AS FOR THE MENTAL HEALTH YES IT DOES PLAY A FACTOR ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY ARE OFF THERE MEDS AND THEY SELF MEDICATE ITS CALLED DUAL DIAGNOSIS. AND THEY BOTH HAVE TO BE TREATED AT THE SAME TIME.
    I DON’T LIKE VIOLENCE AND I HATE DRUGS . AND EVERYONE IS A VICTIM WHEN IT DOES INVOLVE SOMEONE WITH MENTAL ILLNESS. AND WE DONOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO PASS JUGDEMENT ON ANYONE NO ONE KNOWS THE FACTS ABOUT THE MENTAL STABILITY. THATS WHY WE HAVE A COURT SYSTEM . I DON’T BELIEVE ANYONE HAS THE RIGHT TO TAKE ANY ONES LIFE.I DON’T CARE WHO YOU ARE. AND I STILL STAND BY MY STATEMENT YOU DO THE CRIME YOU DO THE TIME ITS AS SIMPLE AS THAT. MY CHILDREN KNOW THIS MOM DON’T PLAY AND THEY MAKE IT A POINT TO TELL THEIR FRIENDS DON’T BREAK THE LAW AROUND MY MOM CAUSE YOU WILL GO TO JAIL. AND I WILL CALL 911 RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEM. THAT IS THE ONLY WAY EVERYONE IS GOING TO BREAK THE CHAIN OF CRIMINAL ACTIVITY. DON’T BE SCARED IT’S ONLY A PHONE USE IT.

  26. Confused, I don’t think you realize just how many of those illegals are criminals. I see it every week. Trust me, there are a lot of things we should be focusing on that we’re not. I wish I could give you specific cases but it would jeopardize my career and I’m not willing to do that.

    Honey, if you expect that no person ever has the right to take a life and 911 is going to save you, go right ahead. When you only have seconds to live with an armed intruder in your home, the police are mere minutes away.

  27. YES YOU ARE RIGHT I UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE SELF DEFENSE . PERHAPS I DIDN’T WORD MY WORDS RIGHT . I WAS REFERRING TO THE ACTUAL CRIMINALS OUT THERE WANDERING OUR STREETS THEY DON’T HAVE THE RIGHT TO HELP THEMSELVES TO ANYONE ELSE BELONGINGS OR KILL ANOTHER HUMAN BEING.INSTEAD OF TAKING FROM OTHERS THEY NEED TO GET OFF THERE LAZY BEHINDS AND WORK FOR WHAT THEY WANT JUST LIKE THE REST OF US. IN MY LIFE TIME I HAVE EVEN SWEPT A PARKING LOT OR TO MONEY IS MONEY AS LONG AS YOU EARN IT HONESTLY. TO BAD ITS NOT THE 30S AND 40S AGAIN THEY WOULD KNOW WHAT A HARD DAYS WORK WAS. NO A DAYS A GLASS A MILK AND HALF A DAYS WORK WILL KILL THESE LAZY PEOPLE

  28. THEY WERE NOT BOYFRIEND ,GIRLFRIEND,AND YES PATRICIA IS SMI THE GUY WHO KNOWS I WOULD THINK ANYONE WHO COULD TAKE A HUMAN LIFE WAS MENTAL. OR THEY JUST HAVE A COLD BLACK HEART. EITHER WAY YOU DO THE CRIME YOU DO THE TIME. JUST WANTED TO CLEAR THAT UP. AND MY PRAYERS GO OUT TO THE FAMILIES ESPECIALLY THE VICTIMS. I HOPE THE LADY PULLS THRU. ALL WE CAN DO NOW IS LEAVE IT IN GODS HANDS. AND THE COURT SYSTEM.

  29. I have a dumb question to ask the police said that the people were going to fast so they didn’t chase them right. my question is what happen to that ramming the car or perhaps radioing ahead and using a stop stick or spike stick whatever they call it or a helicopter.maybe i watch to much cops . but you would figure the same rules would apply i mean how many people are going to be driving that time of night.

  30. Mental health units in prisons get special privileges and they know it. THIS IS NOT A TRUE STATEMENT I KNOW FIRST HAND AS I HAVE A RELATIVE THAT IS SMI IN PRISON AND WE HAD TO FIGHT JUST TO GET THEM TO GIVE THEM THERE MEDICATIONS. As we’ve written before, prisons and jails are now the nation’s largest institutions for the mentally ill, and solitary confinement cells in particular serve as our new asylums. Yet “very few physicians in the APA [American Psychiatric Association] and AMA [American Medical Association] have experience or knowledge regarding correctional mental health care, let alone correctional environments in general,” write Metzner and Fellner. SO KNOW THEY DON’T GET SPECIAL TREATMENT .One thing they DO need to do more with is mental health treatment in prisons – mental illness causes more problems than all the bad food in the world ever could. Failing to treat mentally ill inmates is, for society, like shooting ourselves in the foot.

  31. It is a true statement – I used to be an officer and I had to grit my teeth every time they got a special privilege. Getting their medications is one thing; there were inmates who would refuse their medication and then turn around and tell relatives they just weren’t getting it. Other times the facility’s medical department didn’t have it on hand and had to order it.

    Yes, they do get special treatment. They get all kinds of privileges that inmates in other parts of the facility never dream of getting.

  32. Mentally Ill Fill Prison Cells, Says Fed Study,“Basically, there’s no care for the mentally ill” in the nation’s prisons and jails, declares Terry Kupers, M.D., author of the book, Prison Madness: the Mental Health Crisis Behind Bars and What We Must Do About It.They also say most existing prisons and jails are not equipped to give the mentally ill proper care, and that most corrections officers are inadequately trained.David Chura: Mentally Ill Inmates in a Crazy Prison System.Being locked up is hard enough. Being “crazy” in an already crazy system is the worst. In jail you get “props” from the other inmates for being a “badass” but not for being disturbed. They have names for you– 730, forensic, Gucci gown (at least in the county penitentiary where I taught; if you’re put on the forensic unit, you spend your days in a paper gown that the inmates have branded “Gucci”); along with bugged, psycho, mental.
    Attitudes aren’t much better among most of the correctional staff. They treat you as though your mental illness is a part of your crime. You might have had a choice not to carry that gun, or get into that stolen car. But you don’t have a choice about your mood swings, or the voices you hear, or your paranoia, conditions that, when you have your medication, are usually under control. It doesn’t help that when you get locked up those medications stop. The medical information might be taken when you’re booked, but too often it gets “lost.”

  33. HERE IS A EXAMPLE FROM David Chura:
    That afternoon Kay, the social worker, thanked me for recommending Lamont to her. Then she told me a story I’d heard a number of times during my ten years in jail.
    Lamont was bipolar. Usually it was well controlled with medication. But since he had been sent to the county lockup he hadn’t gotten them. He had requested them, but got nowhere. His mother had done the same, and got nowhere.
    Kay didn’t have to say what I knew already. All kinds of treatments don’t get done, are delayed, or forgotten. “You didn’t do the paperwork right.” “You’re on the list.” Or “The doctor’s only here every other Tuesday.” All tactics to save money. (At least, I’ve always hoped that that was the reason and not the more disturbing one: pure neglect because someone just didn’t give a damn about the people in their charge.)
    Of course, not every inmate who has a fight is mentally ill, although the level of instability is high with a prison population used to living the high voltage life of the street combatant in and out of jail. However, there are enough volatile situations that could be avoided if these locked up men and women struggling to maintain their emotional balance were given what they needed– decent living conditions, medications when needed, compassion, and viable therapy, or any therapy at all. It would, if nothing else, save municipalities money in the long run.

  34. A Corrections Quandary:
    Mental Illness and Prison Rules
    Jamie Fellner
    Apart from the mental health services that may or may not be provided,
    prisons typically treat prisoners with mental illness identically to
    all other inmates. There are no special allowances. Officials confine them
    in the same facilities, expect them to follow the same routines, and require
    them to comply with the same rules.
    9
    Council of State Gov’ts, Criminal Justice/Mental Health Consensus Project
    26 (2002), available at http://consensusproject.org/downloads/Entire_report.pdf.
    10
    Thomas P. Bonczar, U.S. Dep’t of Justice, Bureau of Justice Statistics, Prevalence
    of Imprisonment in the U.S. Population, 1974–2001 (2003), available at http://
    http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/piusp01.pdf. A good overview of the changing nature of
    criminal justice policies and their impact on the U.S. prison populations is provided in
    Marc Mauer, Race to Incarcerate (1999); see also Jamie Fellner, Human Rights
    Watch, Punishment and Prejudice: Racial Disparities in the War on Drugs (2000),
    available at http://www.hrw.org/reports/2000/usa.
    11
    O’Bryant, supra note 2, at 310–15.
    12
    For a comprehensive analysis of problems in mental health services in U.S. prisons,
    see Abramsky & Fellner, supra note 3; see also Terry A. Kupers, Prison Madness:
    The Mental Health Crisis Behind Bars and What We Must Do About It (1999).
    For expert reports and complaints ªled during litigation concerning prison mental health
    services, see Court Documents Regarding the Mistreatment of Mentally Ill Prisoners (Human
    Rights Watch, 22-10-2003), http://hrw.org/english/docs/2003/10/22/usdom7148.htm
    (last
    Yet U.S. prisons
    are not designed or equipped for mentally ill prisoners. Prison conditions
    are hard on mental health in general, because of overcrowding, violence,
    lack of privacy, lack of meaningful activities, isolation from family
    and friends, uncertainty about life after prison, and inadequate health services.
    1 The impact of these problems is worse for prisoners whose thinking
    and emotional responses are impaired by schizophrenia, bipolar disease,
    major depression, and other serious mental illnesses. The mentally ill in
    prison also face inadequate mental health services that leave them undertreated
    or mistreated. In addition, poor mental health services leave many
    prisoners receiving, as Thomas C. O’Bryant points out, inappropriate kinds
    or amounts of psychotropic medication that further impairs their ability
    to function.2

  35. lets all just agree to disagree i am sure there are several debates that can be brought up. needless to say when a person commits a crime we all agree they must be punished. rather normal or not. our society is not perfect nor is anyone perfect as far as that goes. but until we all do our part and report crimes and start making the world a better place to live its only going to get worse. so instead of everyone complaining how bad the world is that we live in then get off your butts and make a difference.

  36. II. The Mentally Ill and the Prison System
    There are more than 200,000—perhaps as many as 300,000—men and
    women in U.S. jails and prisons suffering from mental disorders, including
    such serious illnesses as schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, and major depression.
    The proportion of prisoners with mental illness is increasing.
    The high number and growing proportion of persons with mental illness in
    U.S. prisons are unintended and tragic consequences of inadequate community
    mental health services combined with punitive criminal justice policies.
    Numerous studies and surveys have documented this rise in the incarceration
    of the mentally ill. The Bureau of Justice Statistics estimates
    that sixteen percent of adult inmates in state prisons and local jails are mentally
    ill. There are three times as many mentally ill people in prisons than in
    mental health hospitals, and the rate of mental illness in prisons is two to
    four times greater than in the general public.The crisis in the mental health system in the United States has undoubtedly
    contributed to the number of mentally ill prisoners. As a presidential
    advisory commission in recent years reported, the mental health
    system is “in disarray.”8 It is fragmented, chronically under-funded, and
    rife with barriers to access, particularly in minority communities. As a result,
    too many people who need publicly financed mental health services
    cannot obtain them until they are in an acute psychotic state and are found
    to be a danger to themselves or others.
    Left untreated and unstable, people with serious mental illnesses—
    particularly those who are also poor, homeless, and suffering from untreated
    alcoholism or drug addiction—may break the law and then enter the criminal
    justice system. The failure of mental health systems has led to what
    some have called the criminalizing of the mentally ill. As the Council of
    State Governments has noted:swept behind bars.
    The sheer number of mentally ill inmates has transformed prisons
    into facilities for the mentally ill. Yet prisons cannot provide the range of
    services mentally ill prisoners need in the necessary quantity and quality.
    Seriously ill prisoners confront a paucity of qualiªed staff to evaluate
    their illness, develop and implement treatment plans, and monitor their
    condition. They confront treatment that often consists of little more than
    medication—and even that may be poorly administered and supervised,
    as O’Bryant notes—or no treatment at all.11 They live without the diversity
    of mental health interventions they need, much less the long-term supportive
    and therapeutic environment that would best help many of them manage
    their illnesses. Without necessary care, mentally ill inmates suffer painful
    symptoms and their conditions can deteriorate.12
    Apart from the mental health services that may or may not be provided,
    prisons typically treat prisoners with mental illness identically to
    all other inmates. There are no special allowances.

  37. “so instead of everyone complaining how bad the world is that we live in then get off your butts and make a difference.”

    I beg your pardon? Did you not read what I wrote? I used to be an officer. I have worked at four different facilities for three different correctional agencies. You can’t make a difference on that level. Why? Because you’re not there to make a difference – you’re only there to keep the peace. I started in juvenile corrections (so yes, I know perfectly well who David Chura is). Exactly what kind of difference would you have anyone make other than what we’re doing now? Sure, I’d like to see more attention paid to the corrections system. As is, you cannot rely on someone’s term paper or dissertation to get an accurate description of what life is like in prison.

    Mental health units do, whether you wish to believe it or not, get special privileges. They get extra recreational time, TV time, calls home, all of it. They get their butts kissed on multiple levels – especially the juveniles.

  38. SORRY YOU HAVE MISUNDERSTOOD ME I AM SORRY I SHOULD HAVE MADE MYSELF MORE CLEAR I MEANT ON THE OUTSIDE NOT IN THE PRISON. WE ALL WANT A SAFER WORLD I WAS JUST SAYING WE NEED TO GET OFF OUR BUTTS ON THE OUTSIDE AND REPORT THE DRUG DEALERS AND OTHER CRIMINALS. SO OUR CHILDREN HAVE A SAFER PLACE TO LIVE. RATHER THEN JUST TURNING THE OTHER WAY . SORRY ABOUT THE CONFUSION. AS FOR THE PRISON WELL OF COURSE THEY TREAT CHILDREN DIFFERENT THEN IN THE ADULT PRISONS. ANYWAYS THEY NEED TO BUILD MORE HOSPITALS OR CARE FACILITES FOR THE MENTALLY ILL INSTEAD OF TURNING THEM A LOOSE ON THE STREET FROM THE PRISON WHERE THEY DIDN’T GET THE PROPER CARE FROM LACK OF TRAINING NOT ENOUGH STAFF. AND I AM THE FIRST TO AGREE THE STAFF ARE UNDER PAID . AND ALOT OF THE TIME THEY ARE OVERWORKED.

  39. I knew both of the victims! The survivor is a very good friend of mine! She is still clinging to life!I am also a client of Magellan! I to,am diagnosed with bi-polar disorder,schizo-affective disorder,and ptsd!I have been in the mental health system for over 10 years!I have been through 3 other agencies before Magellan! My friend has taken me to my appointments on a few occasions! I have never,ever,even remotely had any type of thoughts let alone actions of the sort that Patricia Mayon and her scumbag,chicken (expletive) pure evil whatever he was to her accomplous! Many,many, times in the past I have had problems with the agency’s in reguards to my care! I have run out of my meds due to “my” lack of not making my appointments!There are measures in place that when I did ge off of them all I had to do is call and I would be seen that same day not by my psyc but at least by a tech who would give me a script!If that option was not available and I was sick,Iwould be admitted to a psyc facility until I got better! Anonymous! I have to agree with Mel! It was the “Meth” that caused her to be in a drug induced psycosis! She “CHOSE” to do it! Blaming the system which I agree is broke and the fact that she is bi-polar is a B.S. excuse! I have been to many,many,many mental health classes and have met literally hundreds of S.M.I. people such as myself and “Patricia”! I can state for a fact that none of them were “bad” or “violent” people even off their medication!..Different yes! Some more aggressive but not to the extreme to in cold blood kill another person! Do I sound “crazy” to you? I and the familiy are greiving the loss of one! If she survives as she is still clinging to life,the greif that I and family members are having to endure is tremendous! Which is nothing compared to the the physical and mental pain that she is suffering!! Most S.M.I. people are highly intelligent and beleive me!! We know right from wrong!! Save your Christian values and your quotes for yourself! I to am a beleiver! An eye for an eye a tooth for a tooth! That’s what I beleive!”Vengence is mine sayeth the lord”? Well I pray and hope he chooses 12 good men and women as in “jury members” to carryout his vengence on these 2 monsters and find them both guilty!!The death penalty should be in order! As far as the illegals go! To much attention is being paid to our immigration problem! Their are about at last I read 40 some thousand arrest warrants in Maricopa county! Over 10,ooo are for felonies! The people in Phoenix and Maricopa county need to wake up! Sheriff all blow Joe needs to go!When was the last time you heard of a major meth bust here in Phoenix! You haven’t!..Instead of parading around like the clown he is and going after mainly illegal maids,gardeners,car washers,and burger flippers,he should be going after the mexicans that are bringing the meth and other drugs to our city and clear up the warrants! Why isn’t he dong so and why is he such a “hero”? By the way I am a white male in my mid 40s!

  40. I believe the bible commands a balance between justice and mercy. The issue is being wise enough to know when mercy will teach a lesson and when justice is the only lesson to be had. Sometimes, if you forgive a person, they learn from it and do better. These days, though, most of the criminals in the system have come to expect forgiveness. They will play on whatever a victim’s sensibilities are to get what they want and they don’t learn from that. Nothing in scripture tells us not to see that justice is done; in fact, in I Corinthians, Paul explicitly warns us to obey the governing authorities and accept responsibility for our actions. In this case? That means punitive action.

    While I agree that Joe needs to go (he’s as shady a character as they come, as is Hendershott the Hutt), a number of those burger flippers and car wash attendants are also the ones bringing in the drugs. Many of those sneaking across the border are doing so because they won’t pass a US background investigation. All of them are paying more to coyotes and kidnappers to keep coming across than they would to simply get a guest workers’ visa and come in legally. As for the warrants, plenty of people out there know how to avoid arrest. They don’t just sit at the address they had at the time they were charged and wait for the po-po to knock on the door – they’re usually smarter than that. I know one personally who is homeless and stays that way deliberately to avoid the multiple warrants out for his arrest. He also avoids me like the plague because he knows I’ll turn his butt in if I see him. It isn’t as simple as just going out and rounding them up. They know how to beat the system. I don’t like Joe, but I’m not willing to blame him for the number of outstanding warrants for serious crimes. Every US city has that problem.

  41. Is there any update if she is still in critical condition or will she able to testify and tell what exactly happened?

  42. THEY NEED TO BE PUNISHED FOR THEIR CRIME HOWEVER MENTAL ILLNESS DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE ESPECIALLY IF THEY HAVE DUAL DIAGNOSIS AND YOU DO NOT KNOW HER COMPLETE MENTAL HISTORY AND AS I HOPE THE LADY A SPEEDY RECOVER AND MY PRAYERS GO OUT TO HER AND HER FAMILY AND FRIENDS MY PRAYERS ALSO GO TO THE OTHER FAMILIES INVOLVED AND TO ANY CHILDREN THAT MAY BE INVOLVED. THIS IS A HORRIBLE CRIME AND IT COULD HAVE ALSO BEEN AVOIDED IF THE COPS WOULD OF PULLED THE PIT MANUVER OR USED A SPIKE STRIP SO THE BLAMES LIES EVERY WHERE NOW DON’T IT THERE IS PLENTY TO GO AROUND

  43. Heather, I don’t know what condition she is still listed in but I have heard that she’s not out of the woods yet. It’ll be some time before anyone knows whether she’ll be able to testify.

  44. Anonymous, if officers had pulled a PIT maneuver, they likely would have been sued. Cops have to keep that in mind, too, particularly right now. They can’t afford a wrongful death suit with the economy in the tank.

  45. Heather,Mel Anonymous,all! Thank you for your concearn and input! She is as of this writing still in very critical condition and in a drug induced coma! On life support and tubular feeding! Please continue to keep her in your prayers! You all made good points!However, the Glendale and Phoenix p.d. as well as the D.O.C.(state) will more than likely be facing a lawsuits over this tragic incident anyway!.I myself, cannot beleive that Glendales finest did not pursue because it was considered an “uneccessary risk”! What! Uh!!! Pleeeeeeze! Those boys are usually gun ho and love the action of a chase!Somethings wrong here! That would of changed everything but!???I am sure there will be a full investigation into why they “really”didn’t pursue!It doesn’t matter now!Does it! Anonymous..Read my first comment again keeping this in mind that I “know” that all S.M.I. persons are not all the same! My point was, I feel the “Meth” was the main contributing factor in the decsion that the two suspects made!They made the choice to use the drug! I’m to close to all this right now and I’m not ready to forgive yet! Guess I’m not as strong as a belever as you’s, Mel and Anon!Maybe later! I haven’t closed that door yet! In the meantime my faith tells me to pray for everyone! I mean everyone! Including the police officers who I feel made a very poor decision! I’m sure that they may be questioning their decision also!I will keep all who ask updated! J.M.

  46. ” I have a lot of sadness in this case losing a loved one is very painful my condolences to the deceased gentlemen family I am praying for this lady fighting for her life . I wish patricia will find who she really is one day this horrific crime will certantily give her enough time to think about what she has done the pain she has brought to many people including her son that will grow up with out her once again due to violence ,drug abuse ”
    and my heart goes out to her son and her dying mother.

  47. I KNOW THIS MIGHT NOT BE THE PLACE BUT I HOPE IT GIVES SOMEONE SOME SOLITUDE AND HOPE
    The Power of Words
    by Jo Ann Kelly

    Words fitly spoken are like apples of gold
    In pictures of silver, on display.
    Words can encourage and edify others
    As they walk along life’s narrow way.
    Cruel words are like stones which are thrown
    As they wound and harm one’s soul.
    Cruel words destroy and cannot lead one
    To the safety of the Good Shepherd’s fold.
    When we seek to be like our Savior,
    Our lives will be changed and anew.
    Thoughts and words will be chosen
    To help see others make it through.
    No matter how low a person may sink
    In sin or the depths of despair,
    We can share God’s grace and love;
    And tell them Jesus will always be there.
    We are to do good to those who hate
    Or seem to always put us down.
    Their words are not what matter in this life.
    We have God’s love, which always abounds.
    Words of love and life
    Can help their sin sick soul.
    The Word of God still redeems and sets free.
    Our Lord will save and make one whole.
    We must return good for evil
    And pray to bless the souls of others.
    God extends, to them, salvation
    And commands us to love one another.
    In Christ, there is no condemnation.
    Old things have passed away.
    If you don’t know the Savior’s love,
    Won’t you heed His call and come to Him today?
    Blessings In Christ

  48. God didn’t leave us with a mandate to let people walk all over society. My faith isn’t the greatest, but it’s still what I believe, and I believe that justice is still important – even in this life. Not vengeance, but JUSTICE.

  49. THAT’S WHY WE HAVE COURTS TO DO JUSTICE. AND I AM A FIRM BELIEVER IN GOD HE DOES TAKE CARE OF EVERYONE AND NOTHING HAPPENS WITHOUT A REASON NO MATTER WHAT THE OUTCOME. AND EVEN THOUGH THERE IS A LOT OF PAIN AND HEARTACHE. GOD IS STILL THERE. GOD NEVER GIVES US MORE THEN WE CAN HANDLE. I PRAY FOR ALL PARTIES INVOLVED AND A SPEEDY RECOVERY FOR THE LADY. AND PRAYERS FOR THE FAMILY AND FRIENDS THAT HAVE LOST A LOVED ONE. AND FOR THE SON WHO IS LOSING A MOTHER AND FOR THE DYING MOTHER WHO IS LOSING A DAUGHTER DUE TO VIOLENCE AND DRUGS . EITHER WAY EVERYONE LOSES. AND THEY ALL DESERVE OUR PRAYERS.

  50. JMURDOCK, Melmcguire,
    Thank you for the update, my heart goes out to her as well as their families, such a tragic event that has happened. I was under the impression she was speaking because in one of the articles it states she told the police she heard a mans voice ask for help and a place to hide then her boyfriend say get out, it also stated she said the man covered her with a blanket and gave her water, so i was under the impression this “mental case, drug problem patricia did the shooting, it is just so unreal! but if she is in a coma i dont see how she talked. I hope she will be able to testify so many answers will be out there…

  51. She’s in a drug-induced coma…that means that doctors felt her body needed forced rest so badly that they gave her a mixture of drugs meant to incapacitate her. If her lungs were damaged by the bullets, then breathing on her own with other injuries might mean aspirating something and causing infection. In this case it would simply be easier for doctors to intubate and heavily sedate her to make her more comfortable while her body heals.

  52. Thanks for explaining it Mel! Your are correct! She was speaking to police and rescue when they arrived!Shock may have had a lot to do with that! I don’t know!

  53. The human body does have several defense mechanisms, shock being the last defense. Shock does a lot of things when it first sets in, most of all reducing circulation of oxygenated blood to the extremities. The brain releases several chemicals that have the general effect of calming a person. Resting tachycardia (rapid heart beat) eventually worsens, blood pressure begins to drop, and the body eventually starts to hang on to all fluids, lowering urine production.

    Nine times out of ten, if I’m treating a patient who’s upset and thrashing, I can assume without needing base vitals that they’re not yet in shock. When they suddenly calm down I need to worry.

  54. Durgin and Mayhorn were also in the bedroom and were arrested without incident. Pieces of a 9 mm handgun were found throughout the home broken down to the barrel, handle and slide. When talking to police, Durgin would neither deny nor confirm shooting the victims, but admitted to having fired the gun before. AS YOU CAN SEE IT WAS DURGIN WHO HAD THE GUN NOT MAYHORN

  55. MR.JMurdock I HOPE YOUR FRIEND GETS WELL AND I AM SORRY FOR YOUR LOSS AS WELL. I WILL KEEP YOU AND ALL THE FAMILIES IN MY PRAYERS.

  56. Well wow….hopefully she will pull through this and be well enough to testify! That is horrible, horrible what happened to her. I did not know she was speaking when the police and rescue got there, i wonder if she able to pin point to the cops who shot her. I did read the guns were registered to Mayhorn? And that the lady said Durgin gave her water and sheets because she was cold? Which would lead me to think patricia was the one with the gun, just off of the articles i have read. I have been reading up on every sight i can to see updates etc but have seen the same stories…So once they feel she is healing properly then they will pull her out of her coma? Are they doing any car washes etc for the families? Such a tragic thing to happen, God willing she will pull through!

  57. I also agree mental illness has nothing to do with what has happened, it had to have been the meth, and i pray she does not get away or off her charges in anyway for saying she has mental problems i mean my God if she would stay away from the drugs it probably wouldnt be nearly as bad. That is sad she has a child out there, i just dont get it how could she blame this on bipolar and depression.

  58. Both Durgin and Mayhorn were convicted felons. Neither would have been allowed to legally possess a firearm of any type; all felons are stripped of certain civil liberties. Some do apply upon release to have those liberties restored, but it’s not often that they are. Plus, here in Arizona we don’t register our guns. They can track a gun by the serial number – find out who bought it and where it went from there – but there is no gun registry. Now, they may have tracked them to Mayhorn from someone else, but they wouldn’t have been registered to her.

    I did search for civil court documents that would mention a petition for the restoration of civil liberties, but found none for either Durgin or Mayhorn.

  59. My heart and prayers go out to all the families involved.as no one knows what is going threw someones mind at the time they commit such awful crimes.No one deserves to have their life taken away.And everyone has a moral duty to report the crimes and help those in need if we all want a safer and better world to live in.Because lets face it we are all responsible for our own actions.And if we chose to turn away then doesn’t that make us all guilty.Everyone says for the police and politicians to stop the crime spree but what about us as human beings they can’t do it on there own. We are all responsible for the world we live in.We all have a duty to ourselves to make our environment we live in better and safer. It’s called pick up that phone and report what you see. And stop all this violence and drugs.

  60. IS THERE A UPDATE ON THE LADY ? IS SHE DOING OKAY. HOPE SHE HAS A SPEEDY RECOVERY. MY PRAYERS ARE WITH HER AND HER FAMILY AND FRIENDS

  61. The world is a dangerous place to live, not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who wont do anything about it……..Einstein

  62. Einstein uh? Well?? People who won’t? Or people who can’t do anything?I am not going into a b.s. rant about whatever! It’s been 18 days now! She now has pneumonia and M.S.R.A.! The latter a severe staff infection! People are evil and fck Einstein!

  63. I’m not sure she meant that against those calling for tough penalties for the criminals…

    An aside about MRSA, it’s nasty. It used to be only in the hospitals. When a handful of insurance companies started refusing continued treatment when patients started contracting it, hospitals would send them home and MRSA – short for Methicillin Resistant Staphylococcus Aurea – escaped its cage. Doctors are learning that in a lot of cases, less is more. In other words, sometimes less handling and treatment of a patient is actually better for them.

  64. EXCUSE ME I WAS REFERRING TO THE PEOPLE WHO SEE CRIME OR KNOWS SOMEONE WHO IS COMMITTING CRIMES AND NOT REPORTING IT. AND I AM SORRY ABOUT YOUR FRIEND WE ARE ALL PRAYING FOR HER. AND SORRY IF YOU WERE OFFENDED WAS NOT MY INTENTION. EVERYONE BECOMES A VICTIM WHEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT SEE THE CRIMES BEING COMMITTED OR THEY ARE AWARE OF PEOPLE WHO ARE COMMITTING CRIMES AND NOT REPORTING THEM TO THE POLICE.

  65. Thanks for explanation a.o.c.! I did take offense at first! I apologize!Thank you once again Mel for all your input and explanations! I am sitting in tears writing this! Knowing that others, all of you who have posted here,really caring about my friends welfare..It is a bit overwhelming to me! Aside from the fact of her critical condition! Yesterday a few gathered in my home.. In between the crying and the tears ,we all were still praying and keeping positive attitudes for her recovery! But yet,I cannot get rid of this gut wrenching feeling that she may not recover! I get “literally” so sick to my stomach that…! She it seems to me is getting worse not better! She is on a type of bed that rotates/moves best I can describe it! Only the bottom of her neck and up is visable! She is wrapped in like a plastic,her face is quite swollen…..You can see the entrance wounds of 2 of the bullets that struck in the side neck and passed through her skin and tissue! Her throat has been opened up and all life support devices which were once in her mouth are now in her throat…Doctors say little even when pressed..adding to the frustration already felt by us close! I truly feel that only a miracle will save her! I do beleive in miracles!Thanks agan for all your support! J.M.

  66. The Lord is good, a stronghold in the day of trouble; and He knoweth them that trust in Him. (Nahum 1:7) James 5:14-15 “Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.” For I am the LORD who heals you.” Exodus 23:25 “So you shall serve the Lord your God and He will bless your bread and your water. And I will take sickness away from the midst of you.” Numbers 12:13 So Moses cried out to the LORD, saying, “Please heal her, O God, I pray!”

  67. Unfortunately, the doctors can’t say much because at this point it’s just a waiting game. There’s next to nothing they can do. People do come back from this point. We’re all hoping.

  68. GOD TAKES CARE OF HIS OWN AND I BELIEVE GOD WILL HEAL THIS DEAR LADY.I HAVE FAITH AND I BELIEVE IN GOD THAT HE WILL LET THIS LADY MAKE A FULL RECOVERY. DEAR LORD I ASK YOU TO TAKE THIS INNOCENT LADY IN YOUR HANDS AND HEAL HER BODY AND SOUL DEAR LORD. AND TAKE AWAY HER PAIN DEAR LORD AND MAKE HER WHOLE ONCE AGAIN DEAR LORD. IN JESUS NAME WE ASK YOU FOR THIS HEALING DEAR GOD AMEN

  69. My prayers go out to the lady hopefully she will pull threw & say what truly went on that horrible night. my prayers also go out to her family n the family of her bf.
    everyone on here is sticking up for Patrica bi polar or not she knows what she was doing. but my prayers are still going out to her family.
    durgin did wrong to weather who did it or not they were still in that quest room and watched it happen my prayers go out to his family. either way this is still someones kid or mother or father they did wrong but just because they didn’t something terrible the only one who has the right to truly judge is god. i hope the lady pulls threw and testify it kills me to read all this i feel bad for all the families either way someone lost a mother a father a grand father a grandmother a brother a sister a daughter and son.

    all i can do is pray for the families involved!

  70. Anonymous YOU ACT LIKE YOU KNOW THEM BOTH. PATRICIA AND DURGIN , YOU MAKE IT SOUND LIKE THERE WERE MORE PEOPLE INVOLVED THEN JUST THOSE TO,BY YOUR STATEMENT THEY WERE IN THE GUEST ROOM AND WATCHED IT HAPPEN. A LITTLE CONFUSED AND I AGREE IF THERE WAS MORE PEOPLE INVOLVED AND DURGIN AND PATRICIA DID NOTHING TO STOP THE VIOLENCE SHAME ON THEM. AND GOD WILL PUNISH ALL INVOLVED IN THIS HORRIBLE CRIME. I AM PRAYING EVERYDAY THE LADY PULLS THRU AND SHE WILL BE ABLE TO TESTIFY ON WHAT REALLY TOOK PLACE ON THAT FATEFULL NIGHT. AND YOUR RIGHT THEY ARE SOMEONES CHILD,SON,DAUGHTER, MOTHER,AND FATHER,OR BROTHER AND SISTER. AND THEY DID NOT DESERVE TO HAVE HAPPEN TO THEM A INNOCENT LIFE TAKEN AND ONE HANGING IN THE BALANCE. MY HEART AND PRAYERS GO OUT TO ALL FAMILIES INVOLVED. AND I DO MEAN ALL THE FAMILIES A LOT OF LIVES WERE RUINED THAT NIGHT OVER STUPIDITY WHEN ALL THEY HAD TO DO WAS STOP A CAR AND TAKE THERE PUNISHMENT LIKE ADULTS. INSTEAD OF THINKING OF NO ONE BUT THERE SELVES. AND PUTTING OTHER PEOPLES LIFE AT STAKE. AND MAKING INNOCENT PEOPLE PAY THE PRICE FOR THERE IGNORANCE. GOD HAVE MERCY ON US ALL

  71. i know dont neither one of them. im saying by the articles they were both in the room so one of them had to do it and if one didnt the other one was still in the room and watched it happen who could do that.
    my prayers go out to everyone & i hope that poor lady is getting better each day.

  72. MR MURDOCK ,
    HAVE YOU HEARD ANYTHING LATELY ? I HOPE SHE IS MAKING A SPEEDY RECOVERY. MY FAMILY AND I WILL KEEP PRAYING FOR HER AND ALL HER FAMILY AND FRIENDS. GOD BLESS YOU ALL

  73. Yes, my prayers as well go out to all of the families, but there is noone to judge but God, only he knows what truly happened and hopefully she will be well enough to testify by trial, my heart goes out to everyone involved this is a tragedy that none of them will ever forget sadly. Is there a recent update on her current condition?

  74. I’ve not been able to get anything just yet. Because of who I work for, it would be improper for me to visit in the hospital; I am hoping to hear something soon as well.

  75. can you not just ask another EMT how the poor lady is doing. surley someone in your line of work would have some type of information. even just by casual talking amongst one another . its not considered invasion of privacy just to ask if someone is getting better. the lady has a lot of prayer chains going on and we would all love to have a update. we will continue to pray for all the parties involve . everyone needs Gods helping hand now.and we all want the lady to get better and live as much of a normal life that she can at this point. i have started several prayer chains for all concerned family and friends included on all sides. and I know God is going to reach down and touch this dear lady. well thank you for your time

  76. FIRST LET ME SAY MY HEART AND PRAYERS GO OUT TO THE LADIES FAMILY THEY HAVE A VERY HARD DECISION TO MAKE NOW. AND I AM SO VERY SORRY.
    I AM VERY SADDENED BY THIS ORDEAL. IT SHOULD HAVE NEVER HAPPENED. EVERYTHING IS NOW IN GODS HANDS. AS I STILL AM PRAYING FOR A MIRACLE TO HAPPEN. THE OUT LOOK IS NOT GOING IN OUR FAVOR I AM AFRAID. HOWEVER YOU NEVER KNOW GOD WORKS IN STRANGE WAYS. AND I TRULY HOPE THIS WILL BE ONE OF THOSE TIMES . SO IF YOU ALL BELIEVE IN GOD I SUGGEST YOU ALL PRAY WITH EVERYTHING YOU HAVE AND GIVE THIS FAMILY THE HELP THE NEED. AND MY GOD HAVE MERCY UPON ON OUR SOULS. THANK YOU AND AMEN PRAISE GOD

  77. It saddens me to say the latest report on the lady is she is in a vegetative state. We are still Praying for a miracle. God Bless her and her family and friends. We still have the Prayer chains going and remember God does work in mysterious ways.

  78. How horrible!!! My prayers are with her and her family. What a horrible decision to have to make. So she did come out of the coma, just unable to speak?

  79. Thank you all for your prayers and concearn!! I have good news to report! Cindy is my friends name and is out of intensive care!She has been moved to intensive rehabilitation unit at a local hospital!She is still critical but looks like she will make it!I apologize to all that I have not posted for a few weeks!I’m sure you understand! I will give you updates as soon asI get them! Once again, thanks so much!

  80. PRAISE GOD SEE I TOLD YOU GOD WORKS IN MYSTERIOUS WAYS. I KNEW HE WOULD HELP HER. AND PRAYERS ARE ANSWERED THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE GOOD NEWS. HOPING CINDY HAS A SPEEDY RECOVERY. THANK YOU MR. MURDOCK FOR THE UPDATE THAT IS JUST AWESOME NEWS.

  81. I have read the comments here and it seems as though you all don’t quite have the facts straight on Patricia. I would first like to say what happened is a tragedy. And I thank God that Cindy is recovering. As I realize everyone thinks the worst of Patricia she really is not a bad person. As I can not go into details I will tell you she has never owned a gun in her life. She hates guns so the information about her having any type of gun or ever owning a gun is wrong.Patricia just happens to socialize with the wrong people she tries to see the good in everyone.And as for the 2007 case it happened to be for misconduct with a weapon as she was in a vehicle that had a shotgun in the back seat and she was only charged because she was a felon. As for her punishment we will leave that for the courts to decide as no one has all the facts of what actually took place.And I will continue to pray for all families involved . And I will pray especially hard for Cindy to have a speedy recovery. And I am sorry for the loss of a innocent life.And I am sorry for all the pain Cindy is going thru.

  82. Oh thatis great news!!! Miracles do happen!! How is she doing in that unit now? Is the family doing any types of donations or car washes? So Cindy will be able to testify, i wonder how cloudy or tragic her memory will be of that night?

  83. I have Faith God will give her a speedy recovery and a perfect memory of what took place on that night. And the truth will be told. God has fulfilled a miracle already and has given her life back when we thought in some way hope was lost. And as long as we all keep faith in God everything will work out for the best.

  84. On Thursday 11-18 I finally got to hear Cindy’s voice! “I love you she said”! I sarted crying uncontollaby! She said “I’m all right”! She held it together better than I! The trake was finally removed! I told her I loved her to and that was it! Thanks all again!

  85. Thank you all once again for all your prayers and concearn! Cindy has come a long way,but still has a long way to go!She is having some rough days!Due to family control seeing her has posed some problem for me! It is o.k.though! I wish you all a very great Thanksgiving! Praise God is certainly in order here! Thank you Lord and keep watching over my friend Cindy a I know you will amen!

  86. Cindy had a setback last week and was put in I.C.U. She is now back in intensive therapy and doing much better!

  87. Heavenly Father,
    We come into Your presence to love and adore You.
    Thank You for Your love and Your desire for union with us.
    We welcome all that You wish to do through
    this healing prayer. We open ourselves to communication
    with You and Jesus through the ministry of the Holy
    Spirit. Come Holy Spirit, anoint us with healing so
    deep it reaches back into our blood line; with
    healing so wide it impacts our friends and relatives;
    with healing so high it draws us into Your holiness.

    PLEASE HEAL OUR DEAR FRIEND CINDY
    IN JESUS NAME AMEN

  88. Merry Christmas to you all! I just got home from visiting Cindy! Shee is doing so much better!Yes! Thank God and thank you all for your prayers! Miricles do happen!Although still unable to eat solids she is talking and wailking with aid!It is a glorious day!

  89. I’M SO HAPPY CINDY IS NOW ABLE TO WALK AND TALK WE HAVE A AWESOME GOD. YOU JUST HAVE TO HAVE FAITH IN HIM AT ALL TIMES.
    AND ALWAYS REMEMBER GOD HAS A PLAN FOR EVERYONE’S LIFE. I HOPE EVERYONE’S NEW YEAR IS A BETTER ONE. GOD BLESS EACH AND EVERYONE OF YOU.

  90. How is Cindy doing now? I am sorry i have not been able to get on recently!! seems as though she was going uphill!! Which is great! Will she be able to testify now..is she able to walk?

  91. First of all, thank you to all who posted concerns and well wishes for Cindy and the family. I am Cindy’s sister, the one who has been with her everyday since this horrible, senseless tragedy. Cindy is at home now with me making amazing progress. Although she still has a long road of recovery ahead of her mentally & physically, she is a very strong and determined individual and is truely blessed with so many freinds and well wishers. God was definitely watching over her.
    There is an account set up for Cindy at Wells Fargo Bank to help with medical expenses and to help her get on her feet again under the “Cynthia McGuire Medical Fund”.

    To anonymous on your post Nov 11……”Patricia is not a bad person”. ARE YOU FREAKIN KIDDING ME!?!? This is the person who provoked Rene to pull the trigger and shoot & kill Cindy because Cindy was reaching for her cell phone to call 911. I cannot publish the exact words that were said but I assure you they were ruthless(documented in police records). She is not a nice person and I don’t care what you say, there is nothing that can convince me that she has a nice bone in her body! You are right when you say the courts will decide their fate and Iam sure the courts will give her what she truely deserves….the max. I’m just sad that Patricia did not get the death penatly charge like her counterpart Rene. I am also convinced that if Cindy had been able to talk to the detectives sooner (2 1/2 months later), that Patricia would also be facing the death penalty.
    To Murdock….
    Cindy loves & cares for you more than you know and thank you for being there for her.
    I had know idea that this article and the post even existed until today when I just happened to google Rene Durgin’s name. There is a hearing scheduled for February 10, 2011 at 8:30am at 201 W Jefferson Courtroom 402 to try and get his $1MM bond revoked. I can’t beleive that a bond was even set!! All supporters of Cindy’s & Bobby’s (that was Cindy’s fiance) are welcome. Or even if wish to make a statement agaisnt unnesessary vilolent crimes.
    Please let us not forget Bobby and his family. They have have suffered and enormous loss and they continue to be in our thoughts and prayers.
    Oh by the way, there were only four people involved, Rene(shooter), Patricia(provoked the shooting), Bobby(deceased) & Cindy(still healing after 4 months in the hospital)….no others.
    I hope they burn in hell!!

  92. Pam, I plan on being at that hearing. I have listened in on Judge Steinle’s court many times and I can tell you that I like the man. He doesn’t have much love for the accused; I can’t guarantee that he’ll rule the way we’d like, but I have faith that he will.

    I’m glad to hear that Cindy is recovering!

  93. Thank you Mel for support. I look forward to meeting you and Cindy will be there as well, front & center. I have a lot to say but at this point I will just sit on it. However, I will say this, if you break into a home where two people are sleeping and shoot a woman four times because she is reaching for her cell phone to call 911 and shoot her boyfreind two times and stay in the house after three hours and caught red handed, wouldn’t you think that is enough to put them away for eterinty? I’m sorry, I have no love for these two monsters and as far as I concerned, they don’t even deserve a fair trial. My heart also goes out to the parents of these two broken individuals, I would be devasted my I had a child turn out that way and could take an innocent life.

  94. Thanks Pam and all here who have prayed and truly showed concearn for my friend Cindy! Pam I am glad you found this!You have been so inspirational by doing what have done for Cindy! You know I have not posted here for a while.I have been to this page and read it so many times I can’t count! As of late,I found myself here and have been unable to post until I saw that Pam,Cindy’s sister did! I am really at a loss for words as why I haven’t been able to post as of late!Except for the fact that the emotional pain I feel has been a bit overwheiming for me and I found myself unable to do so! I went from seeing Cindy on somewhat of a regular basis over the past couple of years to just a few rare visits now. It’s alright and I understand! When I do see her or speak with her, I count my blessings that I can and that she has survived such a terrible,terrible,ruthless,unnecessary act of violence! I am starting to well up now and get angry at the perps, something that I try to keep under control as I do not wish to give those two children of satan that much power over me! Cindy is my buddy!I miss her company greatly!She is the strongest woman I have ever met in my life!(I am 56.My first post I put mid 40’s type o been meaning to correct that) That is what attracted me to her when we first met!She was never afraid to speak her mind to others and say what she felt was right!I like that! I’m smiling now! I must say that she has not lost that! In fact she told me “now it’s tme for you to get back on track”!Meaning to keep on moving forward in my life as she certainly is and that she is going to be alright and that for now everything is the way it is supposed to be!She spoke her mind and she is right! I cannot help but feel such a loss of her company by what happened! That may sound a little selfish and maybe it is! It is what it is!To see and feel the strenght that this remarkable lady has is something to behold!I look forward to brighter days! I think I am getting back on track! I pray that the justice system will do it’s part in not lowering the bail for Durgin! I can’t help but wonder what happened to swift justice! When did things change! Why such long drawn out court cases! Back in the day a trial was held and if a person was found guilty of such a heinous crime a noose would be put around the guiltys neck! All in a matter of about 3 days!

  95. Matthew 5:44 – But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,
    Matthew 5:45 – that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
    Matthew 6:14 – For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you.
    Mark 11:25 – And when you stand praying, if you hold anything against anyone, forgive him, so that your Father in heaven may forgive you your sins.
    Romans 12:20 – On the contrary: “If your enemy is hungry, feed him, if he is thirsty, give him something to drink. In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head.
    Luke 6:35 – But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked.
    Luke 6:36 – Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful.
    Luke 6:37 – “Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned.
    Luke 6:38 – Give, and it will be given to you. A good measure, pressed down, shaken together and running over, will be poured into your lap. For with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.”
    Proverb 20:22 – Do not say, “I’ll pay you back for this wrong!” Wait for the Lord, and he will deliver you.

  96. Please do not preach forgivness to me. I beleive in the Lord almighty, without him Cindy would not have pulled through but if the shoe was on the other foot……….

  97. This isn’t about revenge – it’s about justice, and the bible has a few things to say about that, too.

    “For I have known him, in order that he may command his children and his household after him, that they keep the way of the LORD, to do righteousness and justice, that the LORD may bring to Abraham what He has spoken to him.” – Genesis 18:19

    “O Lord, You have heard the desire of the humble; You will strengthen their heart, You will incline Your ear to to justice for the orphan and the oppressed, so that man who is of the earth will no longer cause terror.” – Psalm 10:17-18

    “He loves righteousness and justice; the earth is full of the goodness of the Lord.” – Psalm 33:5

    “The mouth of the righteous speaks wisdom, and his tongue talks of justice.” – Psalm 37:30

    “Better is a little with righteousness than vast revenues without justice.” – Proverbs 16:8

    “A disreputable witness scorns justice, and the mouth of the wicked devours iniquity.” – Proverbs 19:28

    “To do righteousness and justice is more acceptable to the Lord than sacrifice.” – Proverbs 21:3

    “Wash yourselves, make yourselves clean; remove the evil of your deeds from My sight. Cease to do evil, learn to do good; seek justice, reprove the ruthless; defend the orphan, plead for the widow.” – Isaiah 1:16-17

    “But woe to you Pharisees! For you pay tithe of mint and rue and every kind of garden herb, and yet disregard justice and the love of God; but these are the things you should have done without neglecting the others.” – Luke 11:42

    The Bible teaches a balance between justice and mercy. It is wise to strike that balance by determining who would best benefit from mercy and who would only take advantage of it. Sometimes, once mercy has been offered and misspent, justice is the only option.

    Pam, I wish I didn’t have to say this but I won’t be able to make it tomorrow morning…if you could, please update us. I’ll keep an eye out for Judge Steinle’s opinion, too.

  98. and if the shoe was on the other foot I would forgive and pray for the person. holding a grudge does not solve anything. it only keeps the heartache and the pain.When you are holding a grudge, the hate that you are experiencing simmers inside of you and can suck the joy out of your life. It’s quite hard to be happy when all that is on your mind is the wrong that someone has done to you, and the baggage that a grudge creates can hold you down for years.

    For all of these reasons, it’s easy to tell why you shouldn’t hold a grudge. If you are experiencing a sense of unbearable hate towards an individual, think about exactly what caused the problem and if there are any ways that you can remedy them. Do your best to focus on the aspects of your life that are good as opposed to the problems that you have. Also, realize that people are all fallible and we all make mistakes. Life is too short to be hung up on hate for the whole time that you are here, and being unforgiving may make you feel invulnerable, but it will most definitely cost you happiness in the long run.
    I HAVE PRAYED EVERYDAY FOR YOUR SISTER AND I AM GRATEFUL TO GOD THAT SHE IS OKAY. I AM TERRIBLY SORRY FOR THE LOSS OF HER LOVED ONE . AND I WILL CONTINUE TO PRAY FOR ALL FAMILIES INVOLVED. GOD BLESS YOU AND YOUR FAMILY AND I WISH YOUR SISTER TO CONTINUE WITH A SPEEDY RECOVERY.

  99. We can also look at the Jews on the day of Pentecost. In Acts chapter 2 a group of Jews had gathered together with the Apostles. During Peter’s sermon, in verse 36 he convicts them of murder, “Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.” He gets personal. He says, “Whom YE have crucified”; whom you have murdered, killed. “When they heard this they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, ‘Men and brethren what shall we do'” (verse 37). Now if any man on earth were to be undeserving of forgiveness for murder, would it not be the very men who had murdered the Son of God? Would not they be the last people on earth to receive the blessed grace of God? Yet in verse 38 we find Peter telling them “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins.” Vines Expository Dictionary defines remission as – “a dismissal, release.” We can see then that those who repented and were baptized would have their sins dismissed, or released. They would be forgiven of this hideous crime they had committed. Now if the Lord would forgive those who crucified His Son, would He not also forgive us?

  100. Yes, but those same scriptures also call us to repentance. We cannot be forgiven unless we first repent and accept that forgiveness.

    To my knowledge, neither Durgin nor Mayhorn have admitted their wrong.

  101. as a friend of Patricia’s i know for a fact she has done nothing put pray for Miss Cindy and had several prayer chains started for her recovery.and she thanks God every moment that Miss Cindy is recovering.And she wants nothing more then for Miss Cindy to recover completely. And she is so sorry she wishes she could turn back time.
    and i also started many prayer chains on Patricia’s behalf for the speedy recovery for Miss Cindy and all families involved. And we all will continue to pray for all the families . God Bless Everyone.

  102. Anonymous! Well that is fine! But…”Mss Cindy”was an innocent victim of a horrendous crime!Wishing to turn back the time? To late! Maybe spending the rest of her life behind bars will give her all the time she needs to think about what she did!

  103. Zechariah 7
    8And the word of the LORD came unto Zechariah, saying, 9Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Execute true judgment, and shew mercy and compassions every man to his brother: 10And oppress not the widow, nor the fatherless, the stranger, nor the poor; and let none of you imagine evil against his brother in your heart. 11But they refused to hearken, and pulled away the shoulder, and stopped their ears, that they should not hear. 12Yea, they made their hearts as an adamant stone, lest they should hear the law, and the words which the LORD of hosts hath sent in his spirit by the former prophets: therefore came a great wrath from the LORD of hosts. 13Therefore it is come to pass, that as he cried, and they would not hear; so they cried, and I would not hear, saith the LORD of hosts: 14But I scattered them with a whirlwind among all the nations whom they knew not. Thus the land was desolate after them, that no man passed through nor returned: for they laid the pleasant land desolate

  104. Mmmmmm! Well now Anonymous! “Friend” of Patricia! I have read your posts and all the others so many times I’ve almost have them memorized! I feel in your posts that you are always trying to make an excuse for Patricia! That irks me! Check it out…If she is so sorry and having prayer chains going on…Why is she and her partner Mr. “tough guy” Rene pointing the finger at one another?…God fearing now, she needs to admit it and go on! Don’t you think?!! Looks to me that she is playing the court game and will drag this out for years!Why don’t you ask her! Uh?!

  105. I have always admired David Burkowitz. He’s more popularly known as the Son of Sam serial killer. Do you want to know why I admire him? He realizes the gravity of his crimes and refuses to go to his own parole hearings. He refuses to capitalize on his fame and he’s had ample opportunity. On the few occasions he’s gone on the record, he says that he deserves to die for the lives he destroyed and he doesn’t want to be given the opportunity to do it again – all that and he really does have paranoid schizophrenia and is on medication to this day.

    If Patricia really, truly is sorry, she’ll stop asking forgiveness to take the form of leniency. She will plead guilty and accept whatever sentence is doled out. I’m sorry, but any person who has committed such a horrible crime only uses apologies and prayer chains as an excuse to bid down their sentence. Take what you’re given and society might believe you.

  106. AS FOR PATRICIA , MR. DURGIN SAID SHE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.
    SHE HASN’T POINTED THE FINGER AT ANYONE. PATRICIA HAS NEVER MADE A STATEMENT TO ANYONE. SO ON THAT NOTE I WILL LET YOU PONDER AS FOR EXCUSES FOR PATRICIA I DON’T NEED TO MAKE ANY. AND I HOPE MISS CINDY CONTINUES MAKING A SPEEDY RECOVERY. AND I WILL RESERVE MY JUDGEMENT WHEN ALL THE FACTS ARE IN.
    GOD BLESS YOU ALL

  107. Well, now, that was awfully chivalrous of Mr. Durgin. I suppose the fact that the surviving victim gave a strong statement of what she experienced that night means absolutely nothing.

  108. We shall see! We shall see! Judgement? Mmmmm! Anoymous! Why hasn’t Patricia made a statement? I mean, a prayer chain starting, thanking God Everyday for “Miss Cindy’s” recovery, kind of a girl should say something!! Don’t you think?!

  109. WELL NOW WHAT GOOD WOULD IT DO FOR HER TO MAKE A STATEMENT AS YOU ALL HAVE HER TRIED CONVICTED AND JUDGED. AS I WILL LEAVE HER FATE IN GODS HANDS. AS NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON OUT THERE TRULY KNOWS ALL THE FACTS. THATS UP TO THE LAWYERS AND THE JUDGE TO FIGURE OUT THATS WHAT THEY ARE FOR. AS FOR STATEMENTS THE ONLY ONES WHO KNOWS WHAT TRULY TOOK PLACE IS THE PEOPLE IN THE HOUSE AND GOD HISSELF. AND GOD DOES A GOOD JOB PASSING JUDGEMENT. WHAT WILL BE WILL BE . AS FOR PATRICIA OR ANYONE ELSE ON THIS EARTH NOONE KNOWS A PERSON UNTIL THEY WALKED IN THERE SHOES. THATS WHAT WE HAVE A COURT SYSTEM FOR. GOD BLESS YOU ALL AND MAY YOU ALL LIVE IN PEACE. AND AS FOR MISS CINDY I WISH YOU A SPEEDY RECOVERY AND AS HARD AS IT IS I HOPE SOMEDAY YOU WILL BE ABLE TO FIND PEACE AND PUT ALL THIS BEHIND YOU SO YOU CAN LIVE A PEACEFUL AND ENJOYABLE LIFE. AND I AM SORRY THAT YOUR LIFE WAS SO DISRUPTED AND YOU HAD TO ENDURE SUCH PAIN AND SADNESS. MAY GOD GIVE YOU THE STRENGHTH YOU NEED TO GET THRU THIS TIME IN YOUR LIFE.

  110. I am back! Cindy is back in the hospital with pneumonia! She will be better soon! I just got out of hospital one week ago today! Not to take away from Cindy..I spent two weeks at Barrows Neurological to have a brain tumor the size of a golfball removed!You see God is taking care of the both of us!The Drs. got it all..meaning no radiaton or other treatments! Cindy is sooooooooo strong it just amazes me in what she has endured! To answer your question about “why she should make a statement”? Hell why not! The cops found her there! Why? To get it behind all of us!.The court system has become such that thjs could drag on for years! Is that what you are hoping for?! Please don’t thank God for me as I already have!(Reguarding my recovery)

  111. I actually just had surgery myself, and still can’t do anything major…I’m sorry Cindy is back in the hospital. Pneumonia is, unfortunately, an evil we must contend with whenever someone spends more than a few days in bed.

    Anonymous, I don’t need to walk a mile in Patricia’s shoes. I used to work in the prisons. I did juvenile, adult and immigration. I was also at one point a member of prison SORT (special operations response team, or SWAT for detention facilities). If I had a dime for every inmate who said “I was wrongly convicted,” “it’s not my fault, I was just along for the ride,” or “nobody understands me!”…well, I would be independently wealthy and wouldn’t need to keep working. I could write a book with all of the excuses I’ve heard. If our prisons are that full of innocent people then our society has a major problem.

    Having walked the block, heard the words, and seen reality myself – including all the crimes these folks commit while still behind bars – I cannot bring myself to believe most of the time that I really need to walk a mile in their shoes. Your choices are yours; you need to own them. If you make the conscious decision to use narcotics and commit crimes to feed the habit, you deserve the consequences. If her repentance is genuine then God will know it.

    There is a piece of me that is sorry to be so pessimistic. It’s why I left corrections and will never, ever return to the profession or even think of becoming a cop (trust me, that has been suggested many times). There is, however, a larger part of me that realizes one simple fact: if you keep giving the bad guys so much sympathy and never hold them accountable, they will never grow up.

  112. “Don’t Judge PEOPLE”

    Don’t Judge people
    Don’t judge people unless you know
    Their life and what it’s been.
    You don’t know them,yet you guess
    They are nasty and mean.
    Don’t judge People it’s not your right
    Their life could’ve been a living hell
    How could you know, You never ask
    Don’t judge people or push or probe
    As humans we all make mistakes

  113. How many “don’t judge” responses are we gonna get from the same person?

    This wasn’t a mistake. This was something she had to think about before getting involved. When you make the conscious decision to take this kind of action, you’re no longer merely in error – and pointing out the wrong is not judgment.

    I will say for the umpteen jillionth time: I have worked corrections. I have dealt with some of the meanest, baddest criminals in our society. I have heard their sob stories and watched the way they behave and can say with a great amount of certainty that their crimes are not due to their own lives; they may have been led down the wrong path, but they all still know the difference between right and wrong and, with malice aforethought, took action that they knew to be wrong. They continue to do it in prison while they make shanks, nunchaku, hooch, and smuggle all kinds of crap (I’ve seen every narcotic in the spectrum, cell phones, bullets for homemade guns, syringes, you name it) into the facilities.

    I have a damn hard time grasping how there are so many out there with so little regard for the victims of these crimes. Look Cindy in the face and tell her not to judge, then get back to me.

  114. I feel sorry for all involved and I am sorry for the loss of innocent life. I hope the truth comes out
    and everyone involved will get justly punished. No one has the right to take anothers life. And I am sure the truth will come out in court. Hopefully the trial is soon. And I hope Cindy continues to recover.Good Luck and God Bless you all. And as hard as it may seem to tolorate people do have their own opinions as I have seen in some of the comments here. I don’t think everyone understands the seriousness of the pain. And some people thinks God fixes everything. They don’t grasp the concept that people need to be held accountable for their actions no matter what the reason is.Me personally I don’t believe anyone has a right to harm another.And the punishment should fit the crime.

  115. I was hoping for an update on this saga. Specifically, whether this has gone to trial, and the outcome.

    I do hope Cindy has made a full recovery & is doing well.

  116. excuse me but isnt the deceased man just the same like the so called murders you r talking about.hes been in prison to.i read he is a user to.so dont judge nobody.i dont think your family is so called perfect.thank you.

  117. Wow!Anonymous!No..the deceased man is not the same as the not so-called murderers!..Are you really that lamr?

  118. Bobby was a dear friend of mine. I just found out about this a week ago as I have been searching for him and found the news from his daughter. Anonymous you are absolutley an idiot. Bobby was in prison. The differance is he got out took full responsibility of his actions (no excuses) and changed his life. He did not get out start hanging out with gang bangers getting high robbing people doing home invasions and killing people as your precious friend and her swell boyfriend. Get a clue. Excuses are all you have.

  119. it doesn’t matter wrong is wrong. none has the right to take anyones life or take anything that doesn’t belong to them.and unfortunately once a addict always a addict wether its drugs or drinking or any other addiction.if there was more support out there in the world and jobs for felons perhaps they would be better in society. noone is above needing help sometimes.

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